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Cuba property wars….

Posted November 26, 2004 by YoungCuban in Cuba Politics.
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Who’s home is it?

For years we have heard on how many exiled Cubans have tried to sue/obtain the properties they left behind in Cuba while leaving to the U.S. and elsewhere.
Do the exiles have the right to claim such properties back?
I have my own opinion on the matter.
I for one do not think anyone who abandoned their country and homes should get get back any property left behind by them.
One must realize that those same abandoned homes would be unliveable today unless they were kept up and maintained by those who now occupy those homes.
Many homes are now used by the Cuban government and house embassies of other countries and government departments.
I feel if anyone was to be able to gain back their property they should have to pay back all the maintenance funds and labor it took to keep it in living conditions.
Or, just lose it all together as many homes have benn occupied by families in Cuba.


Do you think an exile Cuban can go back to Cuba and try to throw a family out of their once owned property?
A civil war would occur if the exiles think they can just waltz in and take back what was once theirs, because I do not see any Cuban who has had to live through hard times in Cuba just hand back the keys to what is now their home.
Here in the US if one does not maintain their homes in living conditions the government will step in and have your home demolished, so I guess it is fair to say that if it wasn’t for the Cubans and the government who have kept these properties maintenance up through out so many years, those properties would be nothing but piles of rubble.
I think anybody who abandoned their country and home should not be entitled to anything back, but that is just my opinion, I would like to hear what your opinions are.


Member Comments

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On November 27, 2004, Jesus Perez wrote:

The concept of someone who left Cuba 20 or 40 years ago going back to claim the right to a property or home is totally absurd. There would be civil war in Cuba if the crowd from Miami goes back with that attitude, assuming they ever go back.

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On November 28, 2004, Henry wrote:

Amen YoungCuban.  But it’ gonna happen.

Just look at the American Prime commercials.  Cape Coral…“esta tierra es mia”  Naples Pier…“este puente es mio”  etc.  Didn’t you know they own the west coast of Florida also.

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On November 29, 2004, Ziona wrote:

And, do you think that they are going to leave their nice mortaged airconditioned home, two cars, three TVs, washer, dryer, fancy firniture, the schools of their kids, friends, etc. to go back and claim their run down and unmaintained property? And how about those who have lived for that time in the property in Cuba, are they going to be kicked out to the streets or charged rent? How about using the same thinking for the Mexicanos that lived for over 300 years in the vast western territory of the USA(Arizona, New Nexico, Texas, California, Nevada, etc.) that the US took away from Mexico in the Guadalupe Treaty?

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On November 29, 2004, Ziona wrote:

One of my favority uncles and his wife came to USA in 1962 and lived in Miami until they died many years ago. In Cuba my uncle ownwned and left and 8 unit appartment house in Vedado, Havana and a home and empty lots in Varadero, Matanzas. For many years he was bitter and full of the spirit of revenge joining for a while many anti-Cuba organizations in Miami, including RECE, Alpha 66 and CANF. He was terminaly ill and about a year before he died he confesed to me that his past views and activities regarding his properties in Cuba and his hate were wrong, counterproductive and destructive. He said he was happy in Miami and that the poeple that took over his properties in Cuba had as much or more rights to them than himself, and that in his mind and heart he had released all claims and pardom them.
Is not that what is called: humanism and Jesus love?

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On November 29, 2004, Michael wrote:

I can’t imagine a more sensitive and volatile issue to discuss. I think it would be appropriate to have a representative of the Certified Claims Committee debate this to get a more comprehensive view of the situation. I will provide a hotlink to their site in my next response so that all other viewers can see it from their perspective. And for all this mess we have Fidel Castro to thank. 

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On November 29, 2004, Michael wrote:

Please visit the following website

http://congress.nw.dc.us/cubanclaims/index.htm

 

 

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On November 29, 2004, Lourdes wrote:

Most people who left Cuba in the 1950’ and 1960’ lost interest in their properties many years ago, but to think that Cuba deserves or earned the right to property taken by the Cuban government is preposterous. My mother’ father moved to Cuba from Spain in the 1920’ a poor man. He worked very hard and developed an apartment complex, a theater, and a restaurant - all of which were confiscated by Castroís government in the early 1960’. These properties were never abandoned, but rather taken by the Cuban government. There were many homes that were confiscated because they were “too big” for a family of two or too nice, and were then offered to officers in Castro’ government. These homes, too, were not abandoned, but rather confiscated. How can you believe that these homes do not belong to their rightful owners?  I can’t believe that anyone could think that confiscated property rightfully belongs to someone else. I can understand that people who left their properties behind in exchange for a new life left those properties knowing they would go to someone else, but to think that confiscated properties rightfully belong to someone else is absurd. I cannot imagine someone coming into my home in Tennessee, the home that I share with my husband and children, and have it confiscated simply to be given to someone else because they like my home. What right do they have to what I have worked so hard to build for my family?? I am 39 years old and moved to the US at the age of 2. My motherís sister continues to live in Havana, attempting to maintain my grandfatherís dilapidated home. We send her money every month to make ends meet because the government does not help her. The house is falling apart and the second floor is now held up by 2 x 4ís to keep it from caving in on her. The rebar in the roof has rusted and the cement is busting. Who is helping Cubanís maintain their properties? If it were not for her 2 sisters in the US sending her money every month, there would be no money to paint the house, repair the pipes and keep it functional. Why would Cuba have the right to this home if she were to die? The house my husbandís family left behind in 1995 is no longer standing.  Their 3 bedroom home was given to a family of 13 and they slowly burned the house, using the wood planks as fire wood for cooking fuel until their was no more home. The before and after pictures are quite a site. I hope you will be honest and poet my message. Thanks!

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On November 29, 2004, YoungCuban wrote:

You abandoned your country,you abandoned your home,period.

For the homes that the government took over to house a department or whatever,do you think it would still be standing today if the government hadn’t kept it up?

As far as having a family member still living in your mothers home,thats great,in that instance I suppose you can lay claim to it,but I am speaking of those who came to the US with their entire family leaving Cuba and their properties behind to rot away, at least you have a family member there to somewhat take care of it.

Think anyone is going to waltz in and take your former home away from a family who has been living in it since your family left Cuba?

I think it would be more humane to just let it go,dont you think?

Or are you the type who would kill another just to get back your property?

I myself rather let it go,no need to go back and start a civil war with our own countrymen,because that is exactly what will happen,you will have to shed the blood of your own people to get back what you still think belongs to you.

And by the way,in the US if you die and you have no immediate family to leave your worldly possessions,your home will be auctioned by the government,your money will become theirs etc.. so make sure to at least make a will saying you give it all to at least a friend if you have no family to leave it to,if not the government keeps it.

No government helps anyone maintain their properties,one must maintain their property on their own.

I have 5 aunts and uncles in Cuba,and not one of their homes is falling apart,they have maintained by any means possible.

In Cuba like anyweher else in the world,if you have the funds,you can do anything.

Have your family send your aunt $3000 and watch how easily her home is fixed back up.

Think about that come tax refund time.

 

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On November 29, 2004, YoungCuban wrote:

My great grandfather had property in Nazi Germany taken from him,I didnt see the US try so hard to get it back for him,and I may add he defended the US in WW1!

This is all a bunch of crock,here in the US you can go to jail if you abandon your family,meaning you stop paying bills for your household and spending it on God knows what,your wife can have you arrested for it,the judge will grant her everything while you rot in jail as the divorce is finalized.

In my eyes abandonment is abandonment,leave it and you shall lose it,enough said!

Cubans must come to terms that they left their country,they left everything behind to start a new way of life,most are now US citizens and live quite well,so please stop continuing to hurt your countrymen,do not go back to kick out an entire family all the while you have done nothing to help them while supporting restrictions that has ONLY effected those in Cuba and not you.

For God’ sake,let the inhumane injustice stop against your countrymen,dont hurt them because you do not agree with one mans way.

I dont agree with president Bush,but that does not mean I would hurt my countrymen in any way,and to hurt it does not mean in a physical aspect,the embargo has hurt every Cuban in Cuba,hope that makes you all proud,personally I would be ashamed of myself if I was that way.

The more I think about it the more scared I get for Cuba’ future,I can see a lot of blood being spilled,and the ones pushing for blood shed would be those who left their country,it is sickening to say the least.

Revenge is not the answer….

I recently asked one Cuban exile what he would think of having the US invade Cuba,he stood their as cold as ice and told me he wishes they’d all die.

I than asked what about the Cuban citizens,he said they can all die as well.

This is whats happend to Cubans?

Shameful to say the least.

 

 

 

 

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On November 29, 2004, Lourdes wrote:

Young Cuban do not propose going back and taking up arms. I feel for our fellow countrymen and the horrible lives they have lived for the past 40 years. My husband was raised in Cuba and came to the US in 1995 to start a new beginning.He is now a US educated physician.Ask him what the government did for him as he was growing up. He was taken from his parents at the age of 11 to work for his education.We have nothing to go back to and have no desire to do so, but to say the government took care of the houses that are still standing is a joke. Many of the houses that are still standing are standing because families in the US are sending US dollars to help maintain them, or the families rent rooms by the hour to gather black market funds to survive.We have sent my aunt much more than $3000 and she has visited the US on 2 separate occasions.She is a 78 years old lady and, if it were not for her family in the US, she would no longer have a home.Many of our friends have family back in Cuba that they are supporting and helping maintain these homes.For those Cuban residents who have families and friends in Cuba when they die, inheritance is NOT an option.At least in the US, we have the right to give our property to our friends and family - we have the option to have a will and have our property rights protected

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On November 29, 2004, Lourdes wrote:

Young Cuban do not propose going back and taking up arms. I feel for our fellow countrymen and the horrible lives they have lived for the past 40 years. My husband was raised in Cuba and came to the US in 1995 to start a new beginning.He is now a US educated physician.Ask him what the government did for him as he was growing up. He was taken from his parents at the age of 11 to work for his education.We have nothing to go back to and have no desire to do so, but to say the government took care of the houses that are still standing is a joke. Many of the houses that are still standing are standing because families in the US are sending US dollars to help maintain them, or the families rent rooms by the hour to gather black market funds to survive.We have sent my aunt much more than $3000 and she has visited the US on 2 separate occasions.She is a 78 years old lady and, if it were not for her family in the US, she would no longer have a home.Many of our friends have family back in Cuba that they are supporting and helping maintain these homes.For those Cuban residents who have families and friends in Cuba when they die, inheritance is NOT an option.At least in the US, we have the right to give our property to our friends and family - we have the option to have a will and have our property rights protected

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On November 29, 2004, Lourdes wrote:

It is interesting you mention the embargo…I personally believe that lifting the embargo will help the Cuban people, not because they will live better, but because they will have greater exposure and the government will not longer be able to blame their condition on the US.The embargo does not limit food and medicine in the embargo, yet explain why it is that these basic necessities do not reach the Cuban people.  A friend of ours went to Cuba on a medical mission and was granted visits to military hospitals.  They had food, medicine, clean sheets, etc…she later had a chance to visit a “real” hospital while she stayed an extra week with a physician friend of ours. Her visit to these hospitals shocked her. She could not believe that patients had to take their own food, their own linens and find a way to get their own medicines. Patients were given prescription with no place to go to have them filled. Cuba ships their medicines to other countries, rather than provide them to their own people. My aunt was given prescriptions for her condition, yet they were not available. We had to send her medicine and buy her a wheelchair since she was no longer able to walk and the government hospital could not provide her with a wheelchair. I would like to know how lifting the embargo will actually help these people and what guarantee do we have that the items the Cuban people need will actually reach the Cuban people and not be shipped elsewhere or sold or exchanged for something else Castro needs??? Look how well Iraq’ oil for food program worked.

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On November 30, 2004, Michael wrote:

I personally feel that if the Embargo were lifted it would do very little for the average Cuban stabndard of living and reveal once and for all how incredibly corrupt and ineffective Castro’ government has been all these years. You take away the dreaded imperialist yankee to the north and what do you have ? A mess. Cuba’ future is actually very bright because in the US Interests building on the malecon are archives of every single deed of every single piece of property in Cuba and whomever is the rightfull owner. Whether it belonged to a Cuban family who fled out of fear of reprissals from Castro or a foreign investor/s whose property was confiscated in the name of ” nationalization ” It has and will be reconcilled. That doesn’t mean that poor , innoccent Cubans will be thrown into the streets. On the contrary.It will be handled fairly for all parties , or the US won’t participate.  The US will come in, be happy to recognize a legitimate Democratic form of Government and basically underwrite the entire rebuilding of Cuba in the form of Free Trade, debt restructuring , low interest loans , and tax credits for foreign ie US investment etc. The objective is to re-establish Cuba as a manufacturing exporter that’ competitive on a global level.This translates into one thing : Jobs and I mean Jobs worth working for.  There is light at the end of this tunnel and it will come in the form of Freedom, The right to assemble , the right to vote,  Jobs, The right to own their own property.In that order . Oh yes . Cuba has a future. After Castro..  The only thing Cuban’ need to fear is the wasted time between now and the inevitable.

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On November 04, 2005, Patriot wrote:

Lightly reading over some of the comments made in this web page , I canít help get the feeling itís either run by communist/socialist AND OR frequently read or influenced by them. My apologies to the owner if the first is incorrect. First off, most if not all properties of which are referred in the statements were illegally ceased and appropriated by the self imposed government. An illegitimate government who was not elected or reformed or evolved into power , a government that came from the sword and lives by the sword to this day.  A government that has imprisoned many of my relatives and countrymen for 30 years just for speaking their mind. Something most of you take for granted so much so that if the country you live in were like Cuba if that is not the case, would or could have found those statements offensive.  Subsequently if these statements are being influenced or originating from Cuba, I might like to add that anyone with a personal computer is either a member of the communist party or subscribes to their ideology. The Cuban government does not allow exchange of information unless it deems it controllable for propaganda purposes either by their people or their teachings.  This is same ideology that dictates, Doctors, Athletes, and any other popular profession must be a communist party member, to influence the greatest majority of the population . Now to settle the argument I donít care whoís living in the properties that were stolen from their rightful owner. Iím sure they will not be thrown out in the street and some sort of mediation or settlement would or will be made. Iím very sure that if you government used imminent domain, you would like to be compensated or have you property returned. Many of which have been sold to investors from other Castro friendly governments or been turned into government owned properties.  For I do believe that whatever you or your family worked their fingers to the bone for, should be yours to choose what to do with. If you donít share the same belief then I seriously doubt youíve worked an honest day in your life, and have spent most of your time living off others. BTW I personally know of thousands of legitimate property owners that lost it all and have made new lives working in their new countries.

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On November 04, 2005, Patriot wrote:

They abandoned NOTHING if they left it was out of despair, and disappointment in the futility their voice had. Unlike a lot of those that remain, that live off the government and their relatives kindness from places like Miami. They advance nothing and learn nothing from history and a government that has remain stuck in the 50ís. Those people that have advanced have been elsewhere, and yes they have become great success stories. Some of which want to go on with their lifeís and not deal with the hassle that might be claming their past lives, livelihood, memories back. For unlike any recent Cuban immigrant 90+ they left because they were political refugees, refugees from a political ideology that sacrificed who they are and they feared for their lives and their families, not like the ones now that just leave because of the standard of living and think that the U.S.A. streets are lined with gold and money grown on trees. You know who you are. Those that claim they visit sick relatives in Cuba with all the gala of someone on a Mediterranean vacation. While they enjoy the personal freedoms granted to them in their new homes and return to Cuba with economical benefits for Castro. Most of who may find that statement I have seen plenty of “mercy visits” pictures or videos most of which only compromise one percent of your time and pictures/video. If I sound heartless itís because of the disease that communism/socialism is a cancer, the ideology that will never work less we all become robots (impossible). Because as you know their will always be those that work to the bone and those that want things handed to them on a silver platter. Thatís why any extreme type of government will always fail, democracies are the only one that promise justice to the greater multitudes. If not ,think tonight what is Fidel and his Buddies doing for food and entertainment and what is the general populous doing if not literally sitting n the dark starving.

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On November 04, 2005, Patriot wrote:

T0: Young Cuban
you are sadly mistaken, first off what classifies abandonment. When you leave your car to go to the store? When you leave your house to go to work? When you gone on a 2-3 week vacation, or when you go to your winter/summer home? It’ all relative. If you are a so called “young Cuban” yet you had your great grandfather fight in WW1 for the US which is possible but improbable since if memory serves me there were only a few thousand or so that did. Even that being said do you know how many WW2 GI’ out their say they worked with Patton or Ike yet to later come to find they were paper pushers and never fired a shot. Besides that point I wonder what was his opinion on the nazis taking his property? If you are so very young maybe went to school in Cuba and that influences your thought, or maybe you just havenít had anything stolen from you or taken, when you do you will see that it’ not so much the value but the principle.
As for my countrymen I feel for them those who have unjustly been persecuted and injured, but for those that have benefited and rejoiced from other peoples misery their shall be no shelter and no refuge. They will see the pain they have cause first hand. They will feel what it was like to be displaced and abandoned. For ultimately those who left were the ones that were abandoned by those claiming to be their government and their fellow man who simply became subservient. Again hope you never have a thief in the night take you car, house, or a loved one.