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Latin America Working Group | [url=http://www.lawg.org]http://www.lawg.org[/url]

Dear Cuba Policy Advocates:

News Flash:  We have had another series of successes in the fight to
end the most senseless portions of the embargo. At the same time, an amendment offered by Representative Charlie Rangel (D-NY) to end funding for the entire embargo lost on a vote of 188-225. This is still a very
respectable showing of support for ending the embargo in the face of such a divisive atmosphere. But back to the successes!

Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) offered an amendment to end
restrictions on financing for agricultural and medical sales to Cuba. The amendment was debated and, after some procedural wrangling, passed on a voice vote.

This amendment, if it passes into law, would eliminate the need for sales to Cuba to be cash only and would be good for both Cuba and American farmers.

Next, Representative Barbara Lee (D-CA) offered an amendment to end
restrictions on educational exchanges to Cuba. After five minutes of
debate, the amendment was passed on a voice vote as well! It is significant that the pro-embargo representatives did not ask for a roll call; it means they knew that they were going to loseóand preferred to lose without recording the votes.

Finally, Representative Rangel’s amendment came to the floor for
debate. Rep. Rangel gave a passionate and persuasive speech, which contrasted heavily with the same old tired talking points of the pro-embargo side.

At the end of the debate, Mr. Rangel told the chamber roughly: They told
us after we normalized relations with Korea to get over it. They told us
after normalizing relations with Vietnam to get over it. Now I would suggest that the time has come to normalize relations with Cuba and people who can’t accept that need to get over it. The amendment did lose on a recorded vote; the roll call vote showing how each member voted is not yet available at the time of this writing. We will post it later on our website, [url=http://www.lawg.org]http://www.lawg.org[/url] .

The passage of today’s amendments, along with Mr. Davis’ amendment
yesterday on Cuban-American travel, yet again proves that the will of the
Congress and the American people is for an end to the senseless restrictions on interactions with Cuba. Now the debate moves to the conference committee where we have seen our wins snatched away undemocratically in years past. We’ll be back in touch soon with requests for action to urge the conferees to stand firm against the backroom dealings of the leadership.

For now, please look over the vote tally for the Davis amendment:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll460.xml and thank or spank your
representative. If they voted the right way, they need to hear praise;
and if they voted the wrong way, they need to hear your thoughts.

Thanks again for all your hard work.  You do indeed make a difference
with your calls and emails.

Sincerely,

Philip Schmidt
Mavis Anderson
Latin America Working Group
[url=http://www.lawg.org]http://www.lawg.org[/url]

  1. Follow up post #1 added on September 24, 2004 by Chulo

    Is this guy serious?!?!  Does he really think that interaction w/ Cuba will work?  If ur cynical about the embargo, I have NO idea how in GOD’ name u think that lifting the embargo is actually going to get rid of the system.  More money = more power for Castro.  Plain and simple.  The Cuban people have no arms and are scared shitless.  Lifting the stupid-ass embargo would just empower Castro.  Thinking otherwise is not only nieve, but outright retarded.  What a dumbass!  Is this website for the retarded or uniformed?!?!  What the %&#! is going on here?


  2. Follow up post #2 added on September 25, 2004 by Steve

    Chulo’ argument that trading with Cuba will empower Castro…
    He already runs the country, how much more power does he need. The idea that trading with Cuba will hurt the people there is stupid. Nearly 40 years of embargo have done nothing but hurt the average Cuban citizen. The lack of food there and decent medicine is doing unimaginable damage to generations of people there. A return to trade can only help the average person by creating a market economy that can reward the worker.

    Anyone who thinks continuing the embargo will get rid of Castro is fooling themselves. Nearly 40 years of experience proves that much.


  3. Follow up post #3 added on September 26, 2004 by Chulo

    Come on Steve.  The only country that doesn’t trade w/ Cuba is the US.  Canada, Latin America, the EU, China, Japan, etc, etc, ALL trade w/ Cuba.  Why is it that I still have to send my aunt Tylenol when she gets a headache?  Or why is it that she has to take her own blanket to the damn hospital?  You wanna know why, ‘cause Castro is NOT the victim here buddy.  You keep giving him money and he does nothing w/ it.  The people who run Cuba are idiots who have no compasion for anyone.  So, they run programs Ad Hoc and don’t care about consequences.  They change the agricultural landscape, %&#! up, and change it again.  And they can do this ‘cause they have NO accountability.  Bush is about to be defeated ‘cause he “lied” about Iraq, right?  When did Castro get defeated when he lied about his ties to the USSR, his sending troops all around Latin America and Africa, and his continuous hard-headedness about opening up Cuba’ economy.  Did u just read that?!?!  It’ Castro who has to open up, not some dumb tourist from Idaho or Bush or Kerry.

    So, the question is not whether the embargo will free Cuba from Castro, it’ whether the embargo is a strong enough carrot which will force those that come after Castro to break the 40-year mold and open up the economy.  The simple answer is that its the biggest carrot any post-Castro government will get.  They have destroyed their economic ties and credit w/ every other country in the world, so they need our dollars.  So why can’t we say, “we won’t give it ‘till u release all those political prisoners, allow elections, etc. etc.”???  Or would u rather open up the embargo now, start selling to Castro by allowing him to have credit, then he doesn’t pay his debt, and I, along with you and every other American, has to pick up the damn tab w/ our tax dollars.  That would be some hillarious headlines wouldn’t it…NOT ONLY DOES CASTRO SCREW THE CUBAN PEOPLE, BUT NOW HE’ SCREWING THE AMERICANS TOO!  Geez…wake up man.


  4. Follow up post #4 added on September 26, 2004 by Gregory Biniowsky

    Dear Chulo…Lifting the embargo would create an atmosphere of greater flexibilization in Cuba and ease the siege mentality that dominates the Cuban government and leads it to be repressive at times. If the US government showed Cuba more good will, it is very possible that Cuba would open up in a similar way that China and Vietnam have. By the way, why doesn’t the US government have an embargo on those countries? Or does it have something to do with economics and Miami politics, NOT human rights and democracy. The embargo has done nothing to weaken the Cuban Revolution, and thus keeping it is just a waste of US tax payer money. Moreover, Cubans are not “scared shitless”(as you so elocuently claim): Cuba is NOT a pluralist democracy, but NEITHER is it a totalitarian dictatorship. Batista was more brutal, but when the Cuban people decided to rise up against him, they had no fear. In fact, although many Cubans have their criticisms of their government, they also recognize the positive things the government of Castro has done for them. Moreover, the majority of Cubans on the island want the embargo lifted, so shouldn’t we respect this? If you ask me how I am familiar with reality in Cuban, it is because I have been living in Cuba for the past ten years.
    Respectfully,
    Gregory
    p.s.If you decide to respond, try to use civilized words, not playground insults like “dumbass” and “retarded”. Your ability to respond with a cogent argument is a reflection of your intelligence, or lack thereof.
    p.p.s. The word is naive, not nieve….you should be careful about who you accuse of being retarded.


  5. Follow up post #5 added on September 26, 2004 by Gregory Biniowsky

    Chulo… I personally know many people who work tirelessly in the Cuban government. For you to say that they do not care about their people only reveals your ignorance. If you say they are idiots, how can you explain the fact that the president of the World Bank (not known as a den of Leftists) stated that the rest of the world can learn from Cuba’ example of social development? How can you explain that the United Nations recently stated that Cuba is one of the best countries to prepare for hurricanes and other natural disasters? How can you explain the fact that UNESCO concluded, through it own research, that Cuban school children have the highest scores in basic math, science and reading skills in all of Latin America? How can you explain that Nelson Mandela publically thanked Cuba for having a significant responsibility in the collapse of apartheid? I am not sure when the last time you were in Cuba (if ever), but simply compare the capital cities of any Latin American country and observe the thousands of abandoned street children. Then ask any person in Cuba (pro or ant if there are street children there? Don’t get me wrong; there are many are many problems in Cuba and the embargo does not explain everything that is wrong in the island. I know this because I live here. But answer one last question: Chulo, if you are so concerned about democracy and freedom on the island, why is it that all the dissidents in Cuba say the embargo is WRONG, IMMORAL AND INEFFECTIVE?
    p.s. My neighbour (I live in the poor barrio of Centro Habana) just had open heart surgery which saved his life…and it did not cost him anything… go figure.


  6. Follow up post #6 added on September 27, 2004 by Chulo

    Greg.  Buddy.  The fact that you live in Cuba shows me that u are RETARDED.  And comparing Batista to Castro.  Hahaha.  I can’t believe someone w/ ur “intelligence” would even say something like that.  But hey, you don’t have to be Cuban to buy into the bullshit that Castro’ propaganda machine spits out.  By the way, it’ funny to see that you have access to a computer my friend.  Shows me at what level you are w/ the Cuban government.  For this reason ur a hypocrite and an asshole in my book.  So you know, even though I’m a lawyer, I’d rather use vulgar language w/ such a %&#! dumb ass like you.  So go %&#! yourself.

    Oh, and if anyone is wondering why I’m not arguing all of these “valid” points Greg brings up is ‘cause I’m not going to argue against Castro’ propaganda.  Come up w/ ur own arguments and we can talk.  But reading off of Castro’ bullet-points my friend just equals you to Castro in my eyes.  And this why I use the vulgar language.  Idiot.


  7. Follow up post #7 added on September 27, 2004 by Chulo

    I was laughing so hard when I was writing the other email that I totally forgot one thing.  “Cuba is not a totalitarian dictatorship.”  hahaha

    Greg, you should do stand-up comedy.  The fact that you won’t concede that Castro’ a dictator brother shows me that no matter how many degrees you get in school, a schmuk will always be a schmuk.

    hahaha


  8. Follow up post #8 added on September 28, 2004 by Gregory Biniowsky

    CHULO…
    UNFORTUNATELY, YOU SEEM TO BE A BIT CONFUSED. I DO IN FACT BELIEVE THAT CUBA HAS AN AUTHORITARIAN REGIME THAT NEEDS TO OPEN UP AND ACCEPT MORE PLURALISTIC FORMS OF DEMOCRACY IN THE FUTURE. MOREOVER, ONE MAY EVEN ACCURATELY CATEGORIZE CASTRO AS A DICTATOR OR CAUDILLO. BUT TO SAY THAT THE SYSTEM IS “TOTALITARIAN” REVEALS A FUNDAMENTAL LACK OF KNOWLEGE OF POLITICS AND CUBAN REALITY. I ACTUALLY WONDER IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN IN CUBA OR IF SO, HOW LONG AGO. ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN TO CUBA WILL RECOGNIZE THAT MANY CUBANS ON THE STREET SPEAK THEIR MIND, OFTEN CRITICIZING THEIR GOVERNMENT AND ADMITTING THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO THE UNITED STATES. HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT SUBSEQUENTLY TORTURED OR DISSAPEARED BY SECRET GOVT AGENTS. MOREOVER, MANY CUBANS OPENLY STAND IN LINE EVERY DAY TO APPLY FOR U.S. VISAS AND EXIT VISAS FOR OTHER COUNTRIES. ADDEDED TO THIS, WELL KNOW DISSEDENTS LIKE ELIZARDO SANCHEZ SANTA CRUZ AND OSVALDO PAYA MAKE PRESS CONFERENCES ON A REGULAR BASIS IN CUBA AND IN FACT TRAVEL ABROAD TO GIVE SPEECHES ON THEIR OPPOSITION TO THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT. THIS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN A TOTALITARIAN REGIME. TOTALITARIAN REGIMES ARE LIKE THE USSR WAS UNDER STALIN OR NORTH KOREA IS TODAY. CHULO, DO NOT CONFUSE THE TERMS…OR MAYBE YOU SIMPLY DID NOT PASS POLITICAL SCIENCE 101.
    I MUST SAY CHULO, YOU HAVE A BRILLIANT ABILITY TO PRESENT INANE, VACUOUS AND COMPLETELY UNSUBSTANTIATED ARGUMENTS. FOR INSTANCE: WHY IS LIVING IN CUBA RETARDED? IS THIS A SELF-EVIDENT TRUTH? WHY CAN’T WE COMPARE BATISTA TO CASTRO? IS THERE SOME INTRINSIC IRRATIONALITY TO THIS? BY THE WAY, DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK BATISTA WAS BETTER? (THAT IS ONE ARGUMENT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU.) REGARDING ACCESS TO COMPUTERS AND THE INTERNET, DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT STUDENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAVANA HAVE FULL INTERNET ACCESS ON CAMPUS?
    FINALLY, YOU CLAIM THAT YOU REFUSE TO RESPOND TO MY POINTS BECAUSE THEY ARE FROM CASTRO’ “PROPAGANDA MACHINE”. WOW CHULO, I NEVER KNEW THAT THE UNITED NATIONS, THE WORLD BANK AND UNESCO AND SYCOPHANTIC FOLLOWERS OF FIDEL CASTRO! IF YOU RECALL, IN MY PREVIOUS ARGUMENT I QUOTED THESE ORGANIZATIONS, NOT THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT. MAYBE THE REAL REASON YOU DON’T RESPOND IS THAT YOU HAVE NOT COGENT COUNTER-ARGUMENT….ALTHOUGH I DO ADMIRE YOU COLORFUL USE OF PROFANTIES. DID THEY TEACH YOU THOSE IN LAW SCHOOL? I AM ALSO A LAWYER, BY THE WAY.


  9. Follow up post #9 added on September 28, 2004 by Gregory Biniowsky

    CHULO,
    THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I HAVE TO SAY IS NOT TO YOU CHULO, BUT TO THE PEOLE THAT MIGHT BE FOLLOWING THIS “DEBATE”. TO ALL THE SPECTATORS OF THIS DIALOGUE, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS COME AND SEE CUBA FOR YOURSELF, TALK TO RANDOMLY SELECTED CUBANS ON THE STREET AND IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR HOMES, ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THEIR GOVERNMENT. RENT A CAR AND DRIVE WITHOUT LIMIT THROUGH THE COUNTRYSIDE. LOOK FOR ABJECT MISERY. LOOK FOR ABANDONED STREET KIDS. LOOK FOR FAVELAS AND SHANTY TOWNS. LOOK FOR MACHINE-GUN TOTING REPRESSIVE SOLDIERS TERRORIZING THE CITIZENRY…. AND THEN COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. DON’T BELIEVE EITHER ME OR CHULO, BUT SEE FOR YOURSELVES. IF CUBA WAS AS BAD AS CHULO SAYS, I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THIS. FOLKS, I TRUST YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND ABILITY TO DISCOVER CUBA’ REALITY.
    RESPECTFULLY, GREGORY
    P.S. CHULO…I AM INTRIGUED ABOUT SOMETHING. WHERE DID YOU GET THE NAME “CHULO”? WAS IT YOUR PAST PROFESSION? OR ARE YOU SOME SORT OF “CHULO-LAWYER”? BY THE WAY, FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT SPEAK SPANISH, “CHULO” ALSO MEANS PIMP IN CUBA. NO INSULT INTENDED, JUST CURIOUS.


  10. Follow up post #10 added on September 28, 2004 by Chulo

    Greg:

    Ur so smart buddy.  U finally got me.  Yes, I have been lying all this time and am actually a pimp from NYC.  Which is why I write on this portal.  So I can educate myself w/ your wonderful explanations and historical revelations.

    Look Greg, you obviously are playing w/ words by trying to create a difference b/w totalitarian and dictator and whatever other meaningless examples you provided.  In reality, Castro is a lying caudillo who betrayed his own people.  That’ a fact, whether you can ride around in bikes, talk to Elizardo or get a peticure in La Habana Vieja.  I wish I had the time to discuss all of these misinformatios you’ve posted, but I actually have class to attend to.  Pimp school you know?!?!

    Anyhow, live in your own world, that’ fine with me.  If people who are reading this want to go to Cuba, go ahead.  Just know that you’re aiding a dictatorship, whether good or bad.

    As for Batista v. Castro, yes they were both dictators.  But under Batista, there were many anti-government publications, radion stations, etc. that existed.  They spoke against Batista’ break with the 1940 Constitution on a daily basis.  I have yet to hear of one of these in Cuba today. 

    But wait, I totally forgot, Greg’ 10 year stint in Cuba is much more “informative” and “realistic” than my entire family’ stint in Cuba since their arrival from Spain/Europe in the mid 1880s.  Although many are here in the US, many are still in Cuba.  And not one believes that Bastista was worst than Castro.  Not by a longshot.  Even those that vilified Batista during the 50’ agree that Castro is by far worse.  But the worst thing is that I actually have to sit here and argue with you over who’ worse, some military chicken-shit dictator that lasted 7 years in power as a dictator, or a man who’ been in power for over 40 years, completely changed the economic and social structure of a country, seperated tens of thousands of families, and killed thousands of people under bogus charges and trials.

    But again, Greg knows best ‘cause in Greg we trust.  hahaha


  11. Follow up post #11 added on September 28, 2004 by Gregory Biniowsky

    Chulo…
    The bottom line is that I believe everyone who is interested in Cuba should make up their own minds by visiting Cuba. They should not believe my opinion (that is favorable to Castro) nor yours (that is vehemently against). Chulo, people can make up their own minds and visiting the island is NOT aiding a dictator: a couple more inquisitive U.S. tourists are not going to make or break the Cuban government. But of course you want to be pure and not sully your hands by allowing any money to go to dictatorships, and that is why you say that anyone who visits Cuba is aiding Castro. Now Chulo, I wonder how many things imported from China and Vietnam are in your own home? These countries are also dictatorships which are very similar to Cuba’ political system. There goes your anti-dictatorship purity…
    Let me repeat once more: people have the right to make up their own minds about Cuba, don’t be afraid of that Chulo.
    p.s. In passing, I just mentioned your argument that Batista was more benign than Castro to a Cuban friend of mine who is in fact adamantly against the Castro government. He is still laughing…


  12. Follow up post #12 added on September 29, 2004 by Chulo

    Greg:

    The comparison b/w China or Vietnam and Cuba is not as simple as you put it.  The leaders of the Chinese and Vietnamese Revolutions are both dead and no longer running their countries.  They are run by a system.  Cuba, on the other hand, still has the same guy.  And the question of whether the system will continue after Castro, I think you can agree, is unknown at this point.

    As for the system in China, yes it a communist regime.  Yet it is not as it was in the 50/60s.  They have opened economically and in other ways.  Cuba has yet to budge.

    Finally, China and Vietnam, at least not openly, are no longer lashing out against the US on a daily basis.  Castro does not let a second go by w/out him laying some blame on the US.  And the sad part is, I predict if we were to open up completely with Cuba tomorrow, Castro would still have to pick a fight w/ us.  ‘Cause how else can he justify the political prisoners, no private property, gag rules on all press and journalist, etc. etc.

    Oh, and about your Cuban friend who’ still laughing, he can have his opinion like everyone else can.  (Sad part is he probably can’t have it too loudly in Cuba.)  But in any event, his laughter doesn’t diminish the ingenuious comparison b/w little Batista and Castro.  Batista did bad, no question.  But to me, and many Cubans on and off the island, Castro is at a completely higher level in terms of oppression and subjugation of his own countrymen.  And that, my friend, is no laughing matter.


  13. Follow up post #13 added on September 29, 2004 by Gregory Biniowsky

    My friend Chulo
    If your concern with Cuba is the existence of a dictatorial regime, then the comparisons with China and Vietnam are in fact very relevant and applicable. If your concern is democracy or lack thereof (which you claim is what motivates your opposition to lifting the embargo against Cuba), it does not matter whether the initial leaders are alive or dead, nor the sustainability of the system after the death of the charismatic leader (Mao, Ho-Chi Minh, Castro). The bottom line is who is calling the shots, and in all three cases, it is the Communist party in a monopoly. Since I have no doubt you enjoy both Chinese and Vietnamese products on a daily basis, it logically follows that you would also be willing to enjoy products from Cuba if (1.) the Communist party was running things but no longer had Castro as leader, in other words was being “run by a system” (your words) and (2.) had opened up the economy to limited market reforms. This is the logical inference from your argument that engagement with China and Vietnam can be justified. But according to your logic and the concern for democracy which burns in your belly, how can you justify your use of their products since the bottom line is that they also are run by communist parties which do not allow for opposition and are quite repressive? Chulo, you are either a hypocrite or are oblivious to your own contradictions.

    You also claim that China is not like it was in the 50s/60s, has opened up to market reforms and thus engagement is justified.  However, what has changed is the economic system, not the political system. It seems to me that you are more concerned with economic benefit, not the plight of political prisoners or freedom of speech. Such a cozy position, since China is so big and Cuba so small. Or maybe you just have double standards, since your family came from Cuba and not China. Again, it would seem that your family blood lines are more important to you than a cogent and systematic argument and the impartial functioning of your neurons.


  14. Follow up post #14 added on September 29, 2004 by Gregory Biniowsky

    Now Chulo, since when is “lashing out against the US on a daily basis” a litmus test for being an evil dictatorship or meriting an embargo. The US embargo in fact violates the individual freedom of US businessmen from doing business with Cuba (except for food and medicine) and, more importantly, the freedom of US citizens to, using their hard-earned money, travel to Cuba and make up their own minds of whether the island is some tropical gulag or not. Are these violations of US citizensí rights justified just because Castro verbally lashes out on the US government? What a feeble excuse! I would have thought that a lawyer would have come up with a better argument. And please make the distinction of Castro lashing out against the US government and not the US people, who are warmly welcomed in Cuba. Ask any American who has been here. Cuba even offered blood donations after the 9-11 tragedy. Let the American people decide about Cuba for themselves, and not people like you who want to keep them in the dark. Chulo, do you or do you not believe that US citizens have the right to travel to Cuba and make up their own minds? That is what it comes down to.
    Finally, regarding my Cuban friendís amusement over your claim that Batista was somehow a lesser evil than Castro, my friend was laughing because in his mind such mindless comparisons only weaken your cause. The vast majority of Cubans, even those who are against the government, are not so blind to see that Batista was much more brutal than Castro. In Cuba under Castro, there are no systematic practices of torture, extra-judicial executions, disappearances, etc (which were rife under Batista and were/are quite common in other countries that were/are supported or tolerated by the government of the United States). Anyone who doubts this claim can simply read Amnesty International reports on Cuba for the past 30 years and compare them to reports on pro-US regimes around the world. But maybe Chulo also thinks that Amnesty International is part of Castroís “propaganda machine”.I would not be surprised.


  15. Follow up post #15 added on May 25, 2006 by Hiram E. Varona

    It is amazing to me how someone can still doubt the viciousness of a communist regime that has executed over 100,000, has displaced almost a million of it’s own citizens (in a country of under 12,000 million), has had over 750,000 of it’s citizens drown in open seas fleeing this so called ‘paradise”. It is even more amazing that they cannot see the differences of the 1950’s Cuba under Batista which lasted some 8 years, with a ruthless assasin (who is a psychopath at best) in charge and still killing after 47 years!!!!

    Adolph Hitler loved Germany and the German people. He commited untold attrocities to German Jews, but he held a greater regard for the Germans. Mussoloni loved Italy and Italians. He was a Facist capable of anything against anyone but he loved his country. Francisco Franco loved Spain. He too was a Facist and ruled with an iron hand, but he loved Spaniards. Fidel Castro has destroyed his own people. He has destroyed one of the most prosperous economies in latin america, has encarcerated, executed, tourtured, placed in concentration camps, and forced to work in industries (expropiated from Cuban owners) for mere pennies a day (the value of a modern Cuban peso) while he is paid by European companies (they don’t belive in an embargo) in American currency! Isn’t that special!

    As for the blood donations after 911, it proves that there are still some people around gullible to be taken in by what they which to believe. Is this blood donation to the U.S from the same man that had a temper tamtrum with Krusheff for pulling neuclear missles out of Cuba? The same man that told the leader of the Soviet Union that he did not care if Cuba was left in ashes if the u.S retaliated? Are you even aware that this letter to Krusheff still exists?

    Finally, if you really want to know the truth about life in Cuba, ask any Cuban living there today if “he would preffer to live in Cuba, or go live in one of those countries critiziced by AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL”? I think the response will surprise you, but maybe you allredy know. Don’t you??

    When you become involved in the pain and agony that is the reality of Cuba, and throw senseless data from world organizations that have sat patiently by while Cuba’s sons and daughters suffer the indignity of an assasins whim, then you will have to excuse me as well when I say “%&#! You Too” asshole!


  16. Follow up post #16 added on May 25, 2006 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    As always we welcome all viewpoints here at the Havana Journal but ask that comments and arguments be posted in a professional debate or commentary form.

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  17. Follow up post #17 added on May 25, 2006 by Hiram E. Varona

    You may censore the obsenities provided that the main body of what I’m attempting to convey is not censored. After all, there’s been censoring in Cuba for all of these 47 years. To have some obsene explitatives directed at some one that so richly disserves them does not seem so bad in the end.


  18. Follow up post #18 added on May 26, 2006 by Hiram E. Varona

    Question… since when have Liberals been worried about the “rights of American businessmen who are kept from doing business in Cuba? It never ceases to amaze me when they go out on some precarious limb in order to defend some lame headed cause (no matter how absurd) in an attempt to make what they perceive as a brilliant argument!


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