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Posted August 15, 2007 by publisher in Castro's Cuba

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On July 23, I predicted that Fidel Castro would not make a public appearance on July 26, July 31 or August 13. I was right on all counts.

Raul gave a speech (seemingly because he had to and not because he wanted to) on July 26. July 31 came and went with little US media attention other than “wrap up” stories like “A year without Fidel” or some other non-news story.

Fidel’s birthday of August 13 came and went too. No Fidel. No Raul. No George Bush calling for change. No visit from Chavez. No forced celebration. Nothing but some fireworks over the harbor.

So, Fidel et al have now orchestrated and executed the perfect smooth transition and hardly anyone has noticed.

I predict Raul will retain the term of “interim” President thus giving him a “Don’t blame me, I’m only the interim President” excuse as to why he is not making changes. Everyone “knows” that Raul cannot make any changes while Fidel is alive because Fidel sees and approves everything, right?

I predict that Fidel Castro’s death will be a non-event.

The Cuban government will down play it saying that Fidel’s vision still guides us or some crap like that.

George Bush is a lame duck with other things on his mind and he has no political capital to try to stir things up in Cuba so the US government will unfortunately care little about the announcement of Fidel’s death too.

There will be no “starting gun” sending Cubans and Cuban Americans to the Straits of Florida.

There will be no mass influx of journalists or foreign leaders coming to Cuba to cover the funeral.

There will be no celebrations or even funeral due to the chance that the crowds might get out of control.

So, sadly, I predict that Fidel Castro’s death might just show up on page 3 of Granma and just another day in Cuba. Unfortunately that will be checkmate from the brilliant Dictator Fidel Castro.

If I am right, then I guess I have to back away from my other prediction *sticky* Why there might be chaos after Fidel Castro’s death - prediction.

  1. Follow up post #1 added on August 15, 2007 by manfredz with 464 total posts

    i still think when fidel dies (or his death is announced, whichever comes later) there will be big state funeral etc.  He’s just too big a figure in Cuba to just let go low key ....  but then thats just my view ; an opposing view is just as valid.


  2. Follow up post #2 added on August 15, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Of course a big funeral is justified and expected but can Raul and the Cuban military handle all those people? Remember this won’t be an Elian Gonzalez rally.

    There will be foreign dignitaries, foreign press, dissidents, Cuban Americans, CIA, pickpockets, jineteros, etc all in the crowd and there could be pockets of unrest, fights and one thing could lead to another and the whole Plaza de la Revolucion could turn into a war zone with tear gas and tanks.

    You think Raul could preside over a funeral like this? I don’t think anyone can so now I think plans are in the works for maybe a tour of Castro’s body across the country.

    One funeral would be too crazy.

    Fidel’s death and funeral HAVE to be a non-event if Raul wants to maintain power and control.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the mastermind Fidel laid out the plans for his own dead body.



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  3. Follow up post #3 added on August 15, 2007 by manfredz with 464 total posts

    well publisher i guess we’ll have to agree to disagee.  All of the possible chaos you mention is possible, but i dont think it’ll deter the powers that be from holding a big state funeral.
    I will agree with you however that fidel may have laid out his own plans after all he was such a control rfeak. And if he wants a non-event, that’s what it will be….. 
    Otherwise, as i said, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.


  4. Follow up post #4 added on August 15, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    No problem. I have just come to expect the unexpected. That seems to be more predictable in Cuba.



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  5. Follow up post #5 added on August 15, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    I think we can all rest assured that he has “laid out the plans for his own dead body”.  The planning for this event has clearly been in the works for years.  I think he’s probably had a plan ready ever since the start of the revolution.

    Thanks for backing away from your chaos theory.


  6. Follow up post #6 added on August 15, 2007 by manfredz with 464 total posts

    was just thinking.  remember i often draw a parallel to east Germany -
    well when Honnecker “retired” and Egon Krenz took over, how rapidly things developed, both the opening of the wall and the fall of the east german state took the west german government and inteligence community completely by surprise.  - yet the west german government had spent billions upon billions to have up to date intelligence on the east german state -
    so dont be surprised if our crystal balls aren’t quite up on what will happen in Cuba…..


  7. Follow up post #7 added on August 16, 2007 by J. Perez

    Publisher,

    It is inconceivable to me that the scenario which you present us with would ever come to pass. Like or not, Fidel has been the most important political figure of Cuba in this century and one that has had tremendous impact in the politics of the whole of Latin America, he is both admired and hated, but never ignored and to propose that his funeral would be relegated to page 3 of Granma seems to me a little naive.

    I personally envision quite the opposite, a state funeral with a great number of Latin America’s leaders attending and representations from Canada, Spain and many other European, African and Asians nations.

    Having said that, I respect your views but categorically disagree.


  8. Follow up post #8 added on August 16, 2007 by manfredz with 464 total posts

    cant envision steve harper going but many other leaders will prbably be there. 
    I personally feel that the government has enough control of the country that anything like riots etc wil probably not happen.  Of course pickpockets will come out of the woodwork and have a fieldday - would happen anywhere else too.
    Yhink teh time to watch for will be after the funeral and official days of mourning are over.  Much as people feel Fidel is one of their greats, they also recognize his many shortcomings and will be looking for rapid change.  If Raoul or whoever will take over the reigns if not him, does not deliver them, then a slide of protest and repression and more protest could happen.  Anyway thats the view from here - doesn’t make my scenario and more or less valid than anybody elses.


  9. Follow up post #9 added on August 16, 2007 by Anatasio with 36 total posts

    Hi Publisher,

    Hope you are well. You had posed the question in the Cubamanaia forum - why isn’t the international media reporting on Castro’s alleged current closeness to death.

    OK, lets go back two days - on Tuesday, the influential Mexican news daily, REFORMA, broke a story which contained information garnered from those in Fidel’s inner circle. Apparently, he’s developed a fatal septicemia and this is actually the end. No more false alarms (we all know Fidel has died at least 30 or 40 times over the years - lol)

    Here’s the article: http://www.diariolaestrella.com/144/story/25198.html

    Now, that said - Yolanda Martinez (the journo who penned the article) has said recently that despite the fact that most capable journalists down in Cuba know exactly what’s going on, and that they have the same information she does - they’re waiting till the official announcment out of fear that if they spill the beans too early - as she has done -  they’ll lose their agencies in Havana and their visas to be in-country. I don’t believe REFORMA has a havana bureau (number 1) and number 2: Martinez made it clear just yesterday that if Cuban authorities did anything like tossing her out of the country, she would reveal all of her sources and completely break open the story (apparently she’s sitting on more information).

    Hope this helps.


  10. Follow up post #10 added on August 16, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    Thanks for the Reforma article.  It’s a much more in depth article that details some of the rumors we’ve been hearing about.  I am glued to the news, but trying to wait this guy out is never easy…


  11. Follow up post #11 added on August 16, 2007 by manfredz with 464 total posts

    call me biased , but when the bbc starts reporting his near death etc, then i’ll pay more attention.  Don’t know anything about Mexican papers so don’t know how to weigh, but if a certain Toronto paper for example were to do a report on Fidel I would give it much more weight than another.  Same with some Canadian TV news over others.  But because I dont believe any Canadian media have enough rsources in Cuba to do independant work, I’m paying attention to the BBC.


  12. Follow up post #12 added on August 16, 2007 by Anatasio with 36 total posts

    REFORMA is the nation’s leading paper. It is akin to the New York Times and the journalist, Yolanda Martinez - is widely respected in the industry as a straight-shooter who doesn’t take any guff from ANYONE - not even the Cuban government. LOL

    Her connections in Cuba are infinitely better than anything BBC has ever had. She is also particularly unbiased in her reportage due to the fact that REFORMA has no Havana bureau to protect - unlike CNN or the AP for example.


  13. Follow up post #13 added on August 16, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    Fair enough but to be devil’s advocate the English-language press is usually behind on these types of things.  It’s the give and take that you get with papers like the Herald en espanol, which often scoops other papers on Cuba issues (or reports what the others don’t even know) while at the same time they print stuff that any other reputable paper would consider propoganda.
    I’m inclined to believe Reforma over the Herald or other anti-Cuba papers.  But the maddening part of all this is we are basically wasting our time entertaining ourselves with our ill-informed guesses at what is happening.  Undoubtedly the comandante takes great pride in the fact that no foreigners really know what’s going on.


  14. Follow up post #14 added on August 16, 2007 by Anatasio with 36 total posts

    the comandante doesn’t take great pride in anything anymore. the comandante doesnn’t even think anymore - catch my drift. LOL


  15. Follow up post #15 added on August 16, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    Just for the record my last comment was in response to manfred’s comment…I’m inclined to take Anatasio’s side, it’s true Reforma is well respected, I didn’t remember Ms. Martinez in particular but clearly you do.  I have to say this time it feels a little more real that the end may be near.  I’ll shut up before I make any unwise predictions or comments…


  16. Follow up post #16 added on August 16, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    Anatasio, I thought about using the past tense, but here I’m inclined to err on the side of caution and wait confirmation, be it from the BBC or de otras partes…


  17. Follow up post #17 added on August 16, 2007 by Anatasio with 36 total posts

    Nah, all kidding aside - REFORMA article or not - it’s too early to say anything concrete. Just interesting to try and flesh out what may be happening - still, if I were a betting man . . . smile


  18. Follow up post #18 added on August 16, 2007 by manfredz with 464 total posts

    just to clarify, I wasnt trying to put down REFORMA or Ms Martinez, its just both are totally unknown to me (I dont speak Spanish) so prefer to depend on something known to me - nothing more was intended to be conveyed.


  19. Follow up post #19 added on August 16, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Anastasio,

    Great insight on the reasoning behind the Cuban government’s resistance to expel the Reforma journalist. Makes sense to me.

    Thanks for backing her up and telling us just how good of a reporter she is. That really matters.

    The Associated Press has been publishing many propaganda type articles as if the Cuban government said “Print this or leave” so I can appreciate and admire the guts of Yolanda Martinez.

    manfredz,

    I agree, seeing the news in the BBC or Canadian news would add much more credibility for me but they might not print their information in order to protect their sources. Everyone wants to be in Cuba for the long term and have good sources even after Fidel is gone.

    abh,

    Thanks for posting. We all wait for official news but love to read between the lines so we hope to be the first ones to know the temperature of Fidel Castro’s body. Is it 98.6F or room temperature?

    From my end, I have been hearing lots of “chatter” from different sources with different types of information yet no one piece has convinced me enough to tell you all here and now that Fidel is dead.

    As soon as I am convinced by the right piece of information, I will send out an email blast to all members.

    However, this time does feel different due to the amount, frequency and diversity of the reports I am getting.

    Fidel’s latest Reflection was a real joke as if some insider wrote it quick on his way to the plane that is taking him out of the country.



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  20. Follow up post #20 added on August 16, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Sorry, one more thing getting back to the original post…Will Fidel’s death be a non-event?

    Will the Cuban government at least try to make it a non-event in order to keep the peace?

    OR

    Will Raul not even try to keep the peace and just get of Cuba?

    Of course none of us know but I like to hear opinions. One of us has to be right at some point grin



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  21. Follow up post #21 added on August 16, 2007 by manfredz with 464 total posts

    publisher….  don’t think that would stop the BBC.  They’re doing their reports on Zimbabwe from South Africa because the Zimbabwean government didn’t like their reports on the country from within.  Just one of the reasons I respect them.  But you’r right most other news agencies in country would be in it for the long run and would play the game - hope i havent pegged the BBC wrong.

    P.S. Everyday though we’re one day closer to getting the answers though. (hopefully they won’t wait til the 100th anniversary of his death to announce it)


  22. Follow up post #22 added on August 17, 2007 by Anatasio with 36 total posts

    Manfredz - I hear ya - I didn’t take it as you putting anyone down at all. LOL

    Cheers,

    -AB


  23. Follow up post #23 added on August 17, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    Publisher,
    I would not be surprised if the news of his death is held onto by those few in the inner circle for a few days, however, I do not think it is realistic to expect that there will NOT be official recognition of his passing.  I am sure that there will be a state funeral and all that.  I do not expect riots or social unrest at this funeral, and I doubt that many people who have been to Cuba would anticipate such resistance.  Keep in mind, the dissidents are an extremely fractured group and I really don’t expect much from them.  I still believe that the model for the current government has been in place for awhile, and the last year has shown that this model has some staying power.  The people clearly expect changes, but I don’t think anyone outside of Miami truly expects that change to come quickly.  I do not expect Raul to flee the country.  His power is just too solidified. 
    As I’ve said before, this is the time where those of us in the international community must work to support Cuba and educate others about what’s going on there.


  24. Follow up post #24 added on August 18, 2007 by Andy B

    Why not orchestrate the assassination of an already dead Fidel by the “Great Satan?” What could be better propaganda against the U.S. than to blame her for assassinating the leader of a “sovereign” nation? I can see the headlines now. “George Bush! An Assassin?” or “Assassination, U.S. Policy?” or what about this one. “Bush Axes Rove, Snow and Castro. Who’s next?” or “Bush Axes Rove, Snow and Castro. Mahmoud Next?”


  25. Follow up post #25 added on August 18, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    You should work for Granma in the creative news department. grin



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  26. Follow up post #26 added on August 18, 2007 by manfredz with 464 total posts

    how about because no one would believe it .....
    in all probability Fidel is dying - no one would believe teh USA would under those circumstances assassinate him.
    And such a loss of credibility would be a bad way for the new government to be in full control.


  27. Follow up post #27 added on August 19, 2007 by anders

    I can´t see why on earth Publisher and Anastasio Blanco are so detirmened to make complete asses out of themselfs. Your deranged and complietedly misguided conceptions of who Fidel is and his status in the world makes you exclaim the silliest ideas.
    One thing is whether or not one agrees with cuban policies or not. That is a specific subject matter. Another is the specific global position of the political figure Fidel Castro. You americans simply have not understood the stature of this man because you do not want to.
    Your hallelujas around nothing undermines your credibilaty on other topics. this can´t be your objective, can it ? Or is it just another example of american free speech ?
    If you have anything sensible to say - say it ! Otherwise, please restraine yourselves. You are undermining international credability !


  28. Follow up post #28 added on August 19, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    I guess people who enjoy big government and limitations on their freedoms like Fidel.

    Sorry but I don’t like Fidel. I admit he has done some good for Cuba but on balance, he has destroyed the hopes of millions and brought Cuba almost back to the stone age.

    Without Russia or Venezuela, his form of government would have collapsed many times.

    So, to get this back on topic, I think it is in the best interest of the Cuban government to keep Fidel’s death quiet and low key so Raul will not be subjected to a wide variety of internal (dissidents, military coop) and external (Cuban Americans, CIA) pressures that I don’t think he is capable of handing.



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  29. Follow up post #29 added on August 20, 2007 by anders

    So, then - I will also make a prediction ! When the day comes Cubas legendary Chief of State is no longer with us it will be anounced in the evening news. Depending of the time of day he dies the anouncement will either be the same day or the day after. Evening news will be used not to disturb people during the day and give people some hours with friends, neighburs and family. The following day will be ruined anyway.

    Regarding your remarks ! I have always beeb fascinated by the concept “big government” but never fully understood it. Is FEMA “big governmaent” or the lack of one ?
    I suppose the millions whos hopes are destroyed would be those that would like to see Cuba back where it was in the 50ies.
    If Cuba somehow is brought back to the stone age it must be the agrarian revolution that took place then you are refering to.
    And, yes, without Sovjet - you must meen Sovjet and not Russia - it is likely their government would have collapsed. Cuba would have been invaded !


  30. Follow up post #30 added on August 20, 2007 by RENE C

    Dear publisher
    I agree with some of you predictions,but some of the information given is not historical correct.The only time there were blood baths in Cuba History was after the fall of dictator Gerardo Machado,not even when Batista felt there were blood baths,besides some people destroying park meters in Havana.About Fidel beind respected by a part of the Cuban people,that was tru years ago,now a days 95% of the Cuban youth dislike and despise Fidel and call him an old goat.I had being going to Cuba more than 20 times in the last fifteen years and I had notice how Cubans had being changing about their respect for Fidel.There is no one that believes that the Revolution is the answer for the coming years!I can asure you that they will made a huge funeral for Fidel and if Raul doesn’t comes with fast economic changes,there will be a revolt and riots leaded by the Cuban youth,most certainly by the young Cuban blacks and a part of the army.I maybe wrong but I can almost asure you that Fidel is dead.Future Cuba will have more influences from Spain and Europe than from the US,it will take the US some time to understand what has been happening there!This isonly my opinion and of course I could be wrong!Only time will tell!


  31. Follow up post #31 added on August 20, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    RENE C,

    Thanks for posting.

    If most young people don’t like Fidel, maybe they will try to protest or disrupt a funeral? The national press will be there with cameras everywhere. I am not sure even Raul can lock down Havana for a funeral.

    I am in a wait and see mode for the next couple days. Until I hear something, even a denial of Fidel’s death, I can’t get a feeling for the near term in Cuba.

    I have heard talk of dissension in the military. Any news on that?



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  32. Follow up post #32 added on August 20, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    I just don’t think people will be trying to cause trouble at a funeral.  It’s not realistic.  I don’t see a thorough analysis of Cuba’s history could lead to the belief that people will just start rioting during his funeral.  The young people want basic needs and material desires, they don’t want another revolution.


  33. Follow up post #33 added on August 20, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    One of us is wrong about the mindset of the Cuban people.

    Time will tell.



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  34. Follow up post #34 added on August 20, 2007 by manfredz with 464 total posts

    mind you, most of my talking to Cubans was in Varadero and Mantanzas (and thsoe worked in varadero) so it probably isn’t representative of Cuban youth, but my feelings about them is more how abh portays them.


  35. Follow up post #35 added on August 20, 2007 by RENE C

    I know there are a group of Cuban officers that will never forget how cynically the Castro’s dictatorship killed General Arnaldo Ochoa!Also there are great division between Raul Castro and Ramiro VALDES!


  36. Follow up post #36 added on August 20, 2007 by RENE C

    Castro Dead?
    Posted by JOHN MCINTYRE | E-Mail This | Permalink | Email Author
    Rumors are rife that Castro is dead. The Tallahassee Democrat is reporting that Florida Governor Charlie Crist is meeting with Coast Guard Rear Admiral David Kunkel today at 11:30am to discuss “emergency planning”

    The Coast Guard is a key partner with Florida in planning for another flood of refugees should Castro’s regime, which began in 1958, topple.
    Castro, 80, hasn’t been seen publicly since July 26, the day before he underwent intestinal surgery. Published reports say he has had multiple operations and that his health if failing.

    The Castro is dead rumors have come and gone with some frequency the last year, but these of the last few days seem to be particularly intense. Crist’s meeting with Kunkel may be long-planned, or it may be a sign that Castro’s reign is very close to over, or perhaps just precautionary.


  37. Follow up post #37 added on August 22, 2007 by Cuba Libre Sera

    Expect good news this coming days,perhaps TOMORROW!


  38. Follow up post #38 added on August 22, 2007 by rene c

    Good news are coming,perhaps TOMORROW


  39. Follow up post #39 added on August 23, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Cuba Libre Sera/Rene c,

    I think I’ve about had it with the rumors.

    Feel free to post opinions and the like but I’m not sure we can operate on “high alert” indefinitely.



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  40. Follow up post #40 added on August 23, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    I agree with Publisher.


  41. Follow up post #41 added on August 24, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    More rumors right now at 4:47pm Eastern time on Friday August 24, 2007.

    Please visit this post where I am posting all sources I can find:

    http://havanajournal.com/politics/entry/is-fidel-castro-dead-more-rumors/



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  42. Follow up post #42 added on August 25, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    So far no announcement.

    After seeing how hyped up Miami can get over rumors, I wonder if the Cuban government can get away with a “page 3” type announcement.



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  43. Follow up post #43 added on August 25, 2007 by rene c

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR65_376nGc

    Castro’s funeral preview!


  44. Follow up post #44 added on August 25, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Funny stuff. Not your typical funeral. grin



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  45. Follow up post #45 added on August 27, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    By the way, no way this will be a “page 3” announcement.  Just not feasible.


  46. Follow up post #46 added on August 27, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Interesting that Cubapolidata has now posted the Psychology of Rumors post that states that perhaps these rumors of Fidel’s death have been fabricated to gauge public reaction AND soften the impact of the announcement.

    Hmmm, sounds like an announcement on page 3 in Granma just might make a bit more sense now. wink



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  47. Follow up post #47 added on August 27, 2007 by abh with 244 total posts

    haha, I like how you stick to your guns publisher.  I don’t wish to keep saying this over and over, but come on, there’s just no way this would not be a front page story.  I wouldn’t be surprised if his death is not reported right away, but there is NO WAY that the Cuban news outlets would somehow try to hide the story.  Whenever it is announced, it will be a huge deal.  The country will go into an official mourning period, just as others have mentioned.  No one who knows Cuba well could disagree.  I believe your tongue is planted firmly in cheek (especially in your last post), but let’s not fool ourselves.  WHEN the government OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES it will be the #1 item of news, gossip, and interest not only in Cuba but around the world.


  48. Follow up post #48 added on August 27, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Around the world yes, in Cuba, maybe. My point is that Raul would probably love to have Fidel just fade away. It will give Raul the freedom to just ease into a transition.

    A big death announcement and funeral might send the country into chaos as I mention in my other well known post.

    The pressure will be on Raul the evening of Fidel’s death announcement. Do you think Raul would want a BIG front page story or “just another day in Cuba” type story where Fidel’s Revolution lives on?

    I’m guessing Raul would love a page 3 announcement.



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  49. Follow up post #49 added on August 28, 2007 by anders

    It seems to me Publisher and others are repeating very weird conceptions of cuban politics and its leaders because they are not capeable of understanding it. Maybe it is a matter of role models ?
    The Castros are constanly described as caribbean Medicis - a Firenze family in the Middle Ages (popes, dukes asf), the military forces are alledegably ready to intervene constantly - is if they were situated just across the river from the governors - , leaders are portrayed as a handfull intriguing egomaniacs running their primaries around the Presidents deathbed, the governing system is understood as authorities delivering orders from above with a President manipulating courts and budgets.
    If you tried to understand Cuba on its own accords your results would be different.
    Rob has sometimes published cuban articles, a very good initiative. May I suggest you publish the debate in Juventude Rebelde on “critizing the system” that has been going on for more than a year !


  50. Follow up post #50 added on August 28, 2007 by rene c

    Posted by anders on 08/28/07 at 06:46 AM

    “the debate in Juventude Rebelde on “critizing the system” that has been going on for more than a year “
    “Critizing the system” you must be kidding of course? remember what you call a ‘system is just a 48 years brutal dictatorship,that accepts NO real criticism,only the ones orchestrated by the dictatorship’s lackeys…to try to confuse some people that doesn’t live in Cuba! that could be as naive as to believe it.

    In the meanwhile enjoy these cartoons!He!,He!

    http://rockwoodcomic.com/castro.html


  51. Follow up post #51 added on August 28, 2007 by anders

    On the contrary Rene C ! Judging from debates on this blog it seems individuals with a european background only visiting the island are more capable to understand how things work there than americans claiming to be of cuban decent. Several of those sound like classical historicos or hellenist intellectuals. You know such the cynics poked out an eye on in order to make them see better.

    Your litany, groaning and moaning, only comittes harakiri on your credebility. The UN acknowledges progress there but not you, european parlamentarians of various stature have studied there system of local governing ( Poderes Populares ) but you call it “brutal dictatorship”.
    Nobody with any sence believes your judgements because they are so completely onesided. Yes there are political prisoners on Cuba but some of them were US agents, not nice oppositional democrats. In my country those Gomez, Roques and Leyvas would not have been sentenced to 20 years. They would have been looked up for life.

    Your disownment of the Juventude Rebelde debate clearly indicates you probably don´t even know what JR is ! When it comes to fooling foreigners the cubans are extremely bad at that. I have, as so many others urged them to be more agressive in the propaganda war. They must learn to boost a little. But there seems to be a kind of cuban pride blocking such behavior.
    The naivity is on your part I think. Very few people outside your neighburhood that has any personal experience of Cuba views your perspectives as anything else but desperate exclamations from people who are beginning to realize they will never get their revenge.


  52. Follow up post #52 added on August 29, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Anders,

    Your comment is way off topic and I would appreciate it if you would stick to the topic of the original post.

    With that said I will be brief, you have played your hand my fren. You are a propagandist from Cuba and I have no use for someone who continues to act like an intellectual postint paragraphs of words with little meaning all in the name of pointless propaganda.

    Don then vlasta and now anders? Keep them coming Fidel.

    STAY ON TOPIC PLEASE.



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  53. Follow up post #53 added on August 29, 2007 by anders

    You are calling me a cuban propagandist, a labelling I´m about to regard as flattering after having been accust of all kinds of things here.
    In your initial text you claim Raul Castro held a speech on july 26 “because he had to not because he wanted to”. Now , what does that reveal of your knowledge of Cuban history ?
    You claim US media did not cover July 26 events or the week following that. Not my experience from actually reading them. What does that say about your interest in US media ?
    Do you have any idea what it meens to be interim president in a society based on mass movements ? Of course you don´t coming from a country with none of that. Old democracies like Sweden and France can´t even be governed contrary to the mass movements. Immidiate reelections would be necessary or our countries would fall into caos. Why don´t you make that a prediction ?

    If Raul governs Cuba contrary to its mass movements caos will come !

    This Don/Vlasta thing is beyond stupid. I can still be reached at the Stockholm Episcopate of the Swedish Church or if necessary through the office of the Arch Bishop, attention ViSK.  Sometimes you seem selfdestructive.


  54. Follow up post #54 added on August 29, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Anders,

    You contradict yourself and intelligence way too often to NOT be a Castro propagandist.

    And as far as “mass movements” in Cuba? What the hell does that mean? Fidel and Raul have the country locked down.

    You make it sound like they are worried about the dissidents. Being a worked for the Castro regime, are you telling us that your bosses are worried about the dissidents?



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  55. Follow up post #55 added on September 02, 2007 by rene c

    Mr Anders!Believe me,I know Juventud Rebelde,very well ,maybe much better that what you could believe,and yes it is a brutal dictatorship directed by an old,senile monster,that has destroyed my fatherland!One of the longest time in power dictator,one that sold our country to the Soviets,one that implanted in my fatherland a failed system,the Communist system,a system that History has proved to be a failure ,even where it was conceived..Russia.,and remember there was not even an American embargo in Russia.BTW I’m not an american claiming to be of cuban decent.I’m a very proud Cuban,althought I do admire and respect the American people!


  56. Follow up post #56 added on November 09, 2008 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Sorry about the spam comments. Thread closed.



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