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Dr. Ralph W. Moss, Ph.D | [url=http://www.CancerDecisions.com]http://www.CancerDecisions.com[/url]

REALITY-BASED INVESTIGATIONS

This week I analyze a Cuban remedy called Escozul. This product is based on the venom of the blue scorpion and is attracting a growing amount of attention, especially in Latin America. Medical opinion on this treatment is divided. Small groups seem to think that it is a really valuable new medicine. Others reject it with the same kind of knee-jerk reaction that many in orthodox medicine exhibit towards all strange-sounding remedies.

Here at the Moss Reports our approach is different. We conduct reality-based investigations, and look on all proposed treatments sympathetically, regardless of how weird they sound. At the same time, we insist on scientific evidence for claims of effectiveness, and look for solid proof, preferably in the form of studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals, that treatments actually extend the lives of human beings. Admittedly, investigating reports of new treatments can be very difficult, especially when those treatments originate in countries as hard to access as Cuba. But try we must.

Recently I read of a scientist who has proclaimed his refusal to seriously investigate any new alternative treatments, on the grounds that all previous investigations have failed to substantiate cures. Even if that were true (and it is a substantial distortion of the facts) it would be an untenable position. Every new treatment, alternative or conventional, deserves serious consideration on its own merits. Dismissing all alternative treatments on account of a failure to date to come up with any overwhelmingly positive results is a manifestation of prejudice rather than rational thought, and it is a dangerous and unwelcome development.

At the Moss Reports, we will continue to pursue our policy of “friendly skepticism” towards all new treatments, including Escozul. Of course, hard experience has taught us that many proposed innovations turn out to be based more on wishful thinking than solid science. And, sadly, financial scams sometimes masquerade as humanitarianism. But since most conventional treatments for advanced cancer are also usually ineffective, the world desperately wants and needs alternatives. For that reason, my staff and I will continue to independently examine all alternatives with a friendly but skeptical eye.

I have written over 200 reports on various cancer diagnoses that pursue this approach towards conventional, complementary and alternative treatments. These are continually being updated with the latest research results. I also offer personalized phone consultations to patients and their loved ones. To find out more please visit our website, [url=http://www.cancerdecisions.com]http://www.cancerdecisions.com,[/url] or call my office at 800-980-1234 (from abroad call 814-238-3367). We look forward to helping you.

A FRIENDLY SKEPTIC LOOKS AT ESCOZUL

Escozul is a folk remedy for cancer, made from the diluted venom of the Caribbean blue scorpion (Rhopalurus junceus). Escozul is gaining popularity in Cuba, its birthplace, and in many other countries as well. Since the early 1990s, even some US citizens have gone to that “forbidden island” for treatment with this unusual substance, which was first developed in 1980 by a Guantanamo province biologist, Misael Bordier. Some years ago, Bordier conceived the idea of trying scorpion venom as a treatment for certain chronic conditions including cancers of various kinds . It seemed to have good effects and word quickly spread. Now many doctors in that area are said to frequently administer diluted doses of the toxin by mouth to patients with malignancies, as well as to those suffering from pelvic inflammation, renal failure, and Parkinson’s disease. (Although pure venom is harmful to humans, this product is reputedly non-toxic when diluted and administered orally.)

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Pictured Above: Blue Scorpion, Rhopalurus junceus

Some readers have asked me if there is any truth to the glowing reports that are finding their way onto thousands of Web sites concerning its use as a cancer treatment. My basic answer is that while it shows some promise, it is still a very uncertain remedy. One should not abandon any well-documented therapy in favor of undertaking a treatment about which so little is yet known.

Despite the fact that Cuba has a modern public health system, it is also a country with an entrenched belief in folk medicine. Although surgery, radiation and chemotherapy are provided free for all cancer patients, these treatments have all the limitations there that they do in other countries. In Cuba, as elsewhere, the public is on the lookout for safer and more efficacious treatments for cancer.

I for one do not think it impossible that blue scorpion venom could have a positive effect on some patients. There are over 100 articles in PubMed on the examination of scorpion venom in basic cancer research. A Chinese group has isolated neurotoxins from another species of scorpion, called Buthus Martensii, that has both anticancer (Liu 2002) and immune stimulating effects (Yang 2000). At the University of Alabama they have found that a scorpion product called chlorotoxin specifically binds to the surface of brain cancer (glioma) cells and impairs their ability to invade normal tissue (Deshane 2002). This is a very promising finding. If venom can paralyze or kill normal cells, it can plausibly do the same to malignant cells. But it needs emphasizing that none of the articles currently in PubMed is a clinical study and none refers specifically to the Cuban product Escozul. The jury is therefore still out on how useful this treatment may ultimately prove.

Since the outset, educated opinion in Cuba has been divided on the topic of Escozul. Some people considered the well-publicized reports of clinical benefit to be merely wishful thinking. Another group considered Escozul an outright fraud. A smaller group believed the treatment to be a “scientific challenge,” according to the official Communist Party newspaper, Granma (January 16, 2003). Among this latter group is an engineer named Omar Cantillo, a nuclear physicist who has risen to be head of science and technology at the Ministry of Science, Technology and the Environment. He has long been open-minded towards this new treatment. According to Granma, a certificate of product registration has now been awarded by the Cuban Office for Industrial Property, under Resolution 3136/99, and it is due to come into effect in 2005. The license describes this by-product of scorpion venom as “an anti-carcinogenic component that has new, inventive activity and application.” The remedy is also said to have shown interesting results in HIV-AIDS patients who received it in outpatient clinics at the University hospital in Mbarara, Uganda, where Cuban physicians are working.

To date, more than 50,000 people in Cuba (an island of less than 12 million people) have received Escozul. Pro rata, this would be equivalent to more than a million Americans being treated with what is essentially an unproven remedy - something that dwarfs any of the similar crazes that have occurred here. Thousands more people in Mexico, Colombia, Spain, Italy, Argentina, the Dominican Republic, the Netherlands and even the United States have now used Escozul.

Bordier presented the remedy at the International Conference of Traditional Medicine and Alternative Therapies, which took place in Mexico in 2001. He toured the country giving speeches (PlanetSave.com 2001). According to Granma, the Mexican press dedicated substantial space to revealing that 300 citizens of the Federal District who were suffering from malignant abnormalities were benefiting from the Cuban treatment, and reported Bordier’s contributions to the Forum.

The Cuban government itself seems well disposed towards the product (which, incidentally, could bring in some desperately needed foreign exchange dollars). “In the battle between the scorpion and the crab,” (i.e. cancer, ed.), “the scorpion will win,” said Bordier.

(As an aside, it is encouraging that at least the scorpions are not killed in the making of the medicine. Bordier keeps them in boxes filled with damp earth and with an ample supply of the insects that they like to eat. Starting a year after they are born he periodically extracts the poison from the scorpions by applying a mild electric shock to the insects, causing them to release their venom. This process is repeated about once every 20 days, after which the scorpions are returned to their natural habitat. It is to be hoped that the increasing popularity of this remedy will not result in the extinction of this species, as unscrupulous operators begin seeking a slice of the profits.)

Lack of Knowledge

Superficially, at least, first reports about blue scorpion venom are encouraging. The acquisition of reliable knowledge about Escozul is, however, hampered by several formidable problems:

First is the US trade embargo on Cuba, which makes scientific communication and exchange, as well as travel, difficult, if not impossible. We US citizens may be missing out on more than Cuban cigars as a result of this embargo. It would seem to be a matter of urgency for both the American and the Cuban government to find out if Escozul really works. A sensible foreign policy would put aside political differences in a co-operative search for a cure. Perhaps growing American interest in Escozul will lead to a beneficial outcome in public policy. For now, however, we are reduced to surfing the Internet, since direct contact is nearly impossible.

Another problem is a lack of scientific publications, even in Spanish, on the topic. Cuba has a sophisticated biotech industry that exports a variety of medicines and diagnostics to more than 35 countries around the globe (Sunderland 2002). There is apparently no lack of capable researchers. But there is no reference to Escozul per se in the standard database of medical journal articles, PubMed, nor even an article on the blue scorpion from whose venom Escozul is produced. If such research could not be published in the US due to the trade embargo, there are certainly excellent non-US journals that would be interested in such articles. But promoters of this treatment have seemingly not been too inclined to communicate their findings in a rigorous way to biomedical scientists around the world.

In my opinion, it is also foolhardy to treat 50,000 humans without first conducting any potency standardization testing, laboratory and animal studies, phase I-II studies in humans, and without any institutional review board (IRB) ethical supervision of the project. The potential for harm is real, even if many people anecdotally report that the treatment is non-toxic.

Meanwhile, it has to be said that the claims reported for the efficacy of Escozul seem wildly exaggerated. Particularly disturbing are the assertions (contained in several articles on the Internet) that the treatment was successful in nearly 97 percent of patients who had not undergone previous chemotherapy or surgery. It is not clear exactly what Bordier means by “success.” According to a Mexican Web site:

“Cuban doctor Misael Bordier cautioned that while his patients were not cured of their cancers when treated with the venom of the Escozul scorpion, ‘97 percent of them experience improvements in their quality of life and see the size of their tumours greatly reduced.’”

This would of course need to be carefully documented. Meanwhile, there is ample reason to be skeptical. Over the years this type of sensational claim has been made often, but has never panned out. In fact, as a general rule, the more outrageous the claim, the more likely the treatment is to be a fraud. What worries me most is that exaggerated claims for the phenomenal efficacy of Escozul may present an irresistible attraction to many patients (especially the less skeptical), prompting them to avoid the conventional treatment that is being urged on them and to take this venom treatment instead. While I have written often enough about the limitations of conventional therapy, we must also recognize that avoiding treatment could be disastrous for someone who, for example, has an operable tumor but refuses curative surgery in favor of an uncertain venom treatment. One could easily imagine people dying as a result of such a mistake.

A Remedy With a Sting in the Tail

According to another Internet article (by a Cuban journalist named Mar Marin), among those who came to Dr. Bordier after surgery or chemotherapy, only 40 percent obtained good results with Escozul, and the mortality rate was 60 percent. “We don’t know what causes the high mortality rate in these patients, but we do know we’ve been able to improve the quality of life of every patient,” Bordier is quoted as saying.

I am disturbed by this reported mortality rate of 60 percent among those who had had prior conventional therapy. I am not sure what Dr. Bordier is trying to say to here. Is he claiming that despite chemotherapy, 40 percent of the patients were cured? Or is he alluding to some possibly harmful synergy when these two approaches are combined, leading to a surprisingly high mortality rate?

Although in general I believe that conventional and alternative treatments can be fruitfully integrated, we must never rule out the possibility that combining various agents could actually be harmful to patients. Only carefully conducted - and published - studies can answer these questions and yield dependable results. No such studies have yet been done, and given the current political impasse it may be difficult to arrange any studies that would convince both Cuban and American experts. For the good of humanity, however, it would be worth trying.

  1. Follow up post #1 added on June 01, 2004 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Reprinted with permission of Dr. Moss.

    Thank you for the scientific analysis regarding the prospects for development of Escozul.



    Cuba consulting services

  2. Follow up post #2 added on June 06, 2004 by Manuel Cabrera Morales

    les solicito de la manera mas atenta, si me pueden informar como podemos obtener un tratamiento del veneno de escorpion azul, pero en Mexico.

    Y si es recomendable aplicarlo en un problema de columna en la 5 vertebra lumbar.

    Les agradecere su respuesta a mi correo.

    gracias por su atencion.


  3. Follow up post #3 added on June 08, 2004 by Ellie Koteas

    Please send me information on the blue scorpion regarding a metastatic chordoma cancer patient who is considering visiting Cuba to receive this treatment in addition to the conventional treatments he has done.


  4. Follow up post #4 added on June 08, 2004 by Ellie Koteas

    please send information on a contact number in Cuba for someone who is interested in the blue scorpion to fight his cancer.


  5. Follow up post #5 added on June 10, 2004 by lia milkopulu

    O PATERAS MOU EINAI ETOIMOS NA KSEKINHSEI GIA CUBA THN EPOMENH EBDOMADA DIOTI MATHAME OTI TELEIONOYN TA APOTHEMATA TOU ESCOZUL(MILHSA ME TON STEFAN OVIES). THEOROUME APARAITHTO NA MHN TAKSIDEPSEI KANEIS MONOS ALLA NA MAZEYTOUME PAREA GIA KALYTERA APOTELESMATA…... OPOIOS ALLOS THELEI NA SYNTAKSIDEPSOUME AS THLEFONHSEI STO 6977175390 H STO e-mail .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
    kalh tyxh se olous….


  6. Follow up post #6 added on June 11, 2004 by Rita

    ΜΕΡΙΚΕΣ ΧΡΗΣΙΜΕΣ ΠΛΗΡΟΦΟΡΙΕΣ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΠΑΤΕ ΣΤΟ GUANTANAMO ΓΙΑ ΤΟ ESCOZUL

    (Nα σημειωθεί οτι όλες οι  πληροφορίες, που έχουν ήδη δοθεί μέσω internet, σχετικά με το escozul είναι σωστές)


    Χρειάζεται πολύ καλή οργάνωση και να έχετε χρόνο διαθέσιμο ανάμεσα στα ταξίδια ιδιαίτερα αν δεν έχετε κλείσει τα εισιτήρια για τις εσωτερικές διαδρομές και δεν γνωρίζετε ισπανικά. Δεν πάτε σε τουριστικές περιοχές άρα μην υπολογίζετε ότι όλοι ξέρουν αγγλικά. Μπορεί να υπάρξουν απρόοπτα τα οποία δεν μπορείτε να προβλέψετε.

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  7. Follow up post #7 added on June 11, 2004 by RITA

    Το εργαστήριο είναι στο Guantanamo το οποίο βρίσκεται σε απόσταση 900 Km από την Havana στην άλλη άκρη του νησιού.
    Εκεί πάτε με αεροπλάνο σε 2.30 h. Προσοχή. Τα αεροπλάνα για τις εσωτερικές πτήσεις είναι μικρά και παλαιά (όσα εγώ είδα) αλλά απολύτως ασφαλή. Αν δεν κάνω λάθος είναι 40 θέσεων (Antonov). Άρα χρειάζεται να κλείσετε θέση από πριν και αυτό γίνεται μάλλον μόνο από την Κούβα. Εγώ προσπάθησα να κλείσω και από την Αθήνα και από την Μαδρίτη αλλά ήταν αδύνατο.

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  8. Follow up post #8 added on June 11, 2004 by RITA

    Υπάρχουν 2 εταιρείες που μάλλον κάνουν την διαδρομή Havana-Guantanamo.
    Σίγουρα η Cubana και ίσως και η Aerocaribbean.

    Λόγω της ημέρας και ώρας που έφτασα στην Havana δεν κατάφερα να φθάσω στο Guantanamo. Έκλεισα εκεί στο αεροδρόμιο θέση για την  πρωινή πτήση με την Cubana (118 $ one way) στις 5.30 π.μ. με άφιξη στο αεροδρόμιο για τους πολύ αυστηρούς ελέγχους στις 3.30 π.μ. Η Cubana επιστρέφει αμέσως στην Havana άρα δεν προλαβαίνετε επιστροφή αυθημερόν με την ίδια εταιρεία. (μάλλον έχουν μια πτήση την ημέρα ανά προορισμό).

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  9. Follow up post #9 added on June 11, 2004 by RITA

    Εκεί θα πάρετε ταξί για το εργαστήριο (φθάνετε εκεί σε 20 περίπου λεπτά ). Τα ταξί δεν έχουν κάποιο διακριτικό επάνω. Οι οδηγοί περιμένουν έξω από το αεροδρόμιο. Η διαδρομή εμένα μου κόστισε 3 $ χωρίς να νιώσω ότι με κοροϊδεύουν.

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  10. Follow up post #10 added on June 11, 2004 by RITA

    Την  επιστροφή στην Havana την έκανα την ίδια μέρα αλλά από το Santiago de Cuba (90 Km από το Guantanamo) με την Aerocaribbean (105 $ one way) σε 2h.
    Την διαδρομή από το Guantanamo στο Santiago de Cuba την έκανα σε 1.30 h περίπου με ένα τζιπ παλαιό αλλά ασφαλές. Οι οδηγοί, που αυτήν την δουλειά κάνουν και είναι όλοι ευγενέστατοι, περιμένουν σε κάποιο προκαθορισμένο σημείο και εμένα μου ζήτησαν 20$. Ρωτήστε θα σας πουν.

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  11. Follow up post #11 added on June 11, 2004 by RITA

    Προσοχή στα μπουκάλια που θα έχετε μαζί σας. Να φροντίσετε να έχουν καπάκια που βιδώνουν καλά (όπως αυτά των αναψυκτικών) και να πάρετε μαζί σας και μονωτική ταινία. Προσπαθήστε να μην τα δώστε με τις αποσκευές σας αλλά να τα έχετε μαζί σας. Αυτό αφορά κυρίως στις εσωτερικές πτήσεις που τα αεροπλάνα είναι μικρά και οι σάκοι με τα μπουκάλια δεν χωράνε στις ραφιέρες!

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  12. Follow up post #12 added on June 11, 2004 by RITA

    Όλες τις συναλλαγές θα τις κάνετε σε US $. Φροντίστε να έχετε χαρτονομίσματα του ενός δολαρίου διότι θα σας χρειαστούν αρκετά. Συνήθως σας ζητούν να πληρώσετε κάτι σε δολάρια αλλά τα ρέστα θα τα πάρετε σε Pesos Cubanos (1 US $  = 25 Pesos). Αλλάξτε ένα δολάριο σε κέρματα κουβανέζικα του ενός peso ώστε να έχετε για κάποιο τηλέφωνο (1 νόμισμα του ενός peso) ή ακόμα για να πάτε σε κάποια τουαλέτα (περίπου 20 cents) .

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  13. Follow up post #13 added on June 14, 2004 by Jason Nugent

    Please send information on Dr. Bordier and the blue venom drug Escozul for a dear friend with recurring brain lesions whose received multiple surgeries and conventional therapy for past 2 years.


  14. Follow up post #14 added on June 17, 2004 by Costas

    Hi,

    How do you transfer the bottles? In a portable fridge, bags or what? What do you suggest taking in mind that there a re about 24 hours of flight/jumps in airports involved?

    Thanx


  15. Follow up post #15 added on June 17, 2004 by Costas

    http://www.gtmo.inf.cu/escozul/index.html (in spanish)


  16. Follow up post #16 added on June 17, 2004 by STATHIS

    κ.ΡΙΤΑ ΕΤΟΙΜΑΖΟΜΕ  ΝΑ  ΠΑΩ GUANTANAMO 19 ΙΟΥΛΙΟΥ. ΠΟΛΥ ΧΡΗΣΙΜΕΣ ΟΙ  ΠΛΗΡΟΦΟΡΙΕΣ ΣΑΣ. ΜΠΟΡΕΙΤΕ ΝΑ ΜΟΥ ΣΤΕΙΛΕΤΕ ΤΗΝ ΗΛΕΚΤΡΟΝΙΚΗ ΣΑΣ ΔΙΕΥΘΥΝΣΗ ΣΑ ΓΙΑ ΚΑΠΟΙΕΣ ΑΠΟΡΙΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΕΧΩ;                                                   


  17. Follow up post #17 added on June 17, 2004 by STATHIS

    κ.ΡΙΤΑ ΕΤΟΙΜΑΖΟΜΕ  ΝΑ  ΠΑΩ GUANTANAMO 19 ΙΟΥΛΙΟΥ. ΠΟΛΥ ΧΡΗΣΙΜΕΣ ΟΙ  ΠΛΗΡΟΦΟΡΙΕΣ ΣΑΣ. ΜΠΟΡΕΙΤΕ ΝΑ ΜΟΥ ΣΤΕΙΛΕΤΕ ΤΗΝ ΗΛΕΚΤΡΟΝΙΚΗ ΣΑΣ ΔΙΕΥΘΥΝΣΗ ΣΑ ΓΙΑ ΚΑΠΟΙΕΣ ΑΠΟΡΙΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΕΧΩ;                                                   


  18. Follow up post #18 added on June 17, 2004 by STATHIS

    κ.ΡΙΤΑ ΕΤΟΙΜΑΖΟΜΕ  ΝΑ  ΠΑΩ GUANTANAMO 19 ΙΟΥΛΙΟΥ. ΠΟΛΥ ΧΡΗΣΙΜΕΣ ΟΙ  ΠΛΗΡΟΦΟΡΙΕΣ ΣΑΣ. ΜΠΟΡΕΙΤΕ ΝΑ ΜΟΥ ΣΤΕΙΛΕΤΕ ΤΗΝ ΗΛΕΚΤΡΟΝΙΚΗ ΣΑΣ ΔΙΕΥΘΥΝΣΗ ΣΑ ΓΙΑ ΚΑΠΟΙΕΣ ΑΠΟΡΙΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΕΧΩ;                                                   


  19. Follow up post #19 added on June 18, 2004 by Nik

    Υπάρχει κανείς εκτος απο την οικογένεια Λαιμού
    που παίρνει το Escozul και ειδε βελτίωση στην Υγεία του? Παρακαλώ απαντήστε μου.

    Νικ


  20. Follow up post #20 added on June 18, 2004 by mary

    I only recently learnt about the blue scorpion traetment at a crucial moment since I’ve just found out that my father suffers from brain tumour.I’d like to ask whether the patient since to travel to Cuba or whether I can go there and bering the medicine back home.I’d also be grateful if you could give me a phone number or e-mail so that I can communicate with them. Thanks a million.


  21. Follow up post #21 added on June 18, 2004 by Costas

    You can go to Cuba with the patient’ medical records and get it yourself. As for phone etc, see the link below in a previous message.

    Good luck


  22. Follow up post #22 added on June 18, 2004 by Costas

    Mary,

    Here is the link again http://www.gtmo.inf.cu/escozul/index.html . From what I read, people can not get a phone connection to Cuba, and basically they do not have time to reply to emails. They just want you to let them know when you will be arriving. And they only speak Spanish .

    smile


  23. Follow up post #23 added on June 18, 2004 by skilogianni dimitra

    ΜΟΛΙΣ ΠΑΡΑΛΑΒΑΜΕ ΤΟ ΦΑΡΜΑΚΟ ΑΠΟ ΤΟ GUANTANAMO ΚΑΙ ΚΑΛΩΣ ΕΧΟΝΤΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΩΝ ΕΠΙΣΤΡΕΦΟΥΜΕ ΚΥΡΙΑΚΗ ΒΡΑΔΥ. ΓΙΑ ΒΟΗΘΕΙΑ ΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΗΣΤΕ ΣΤΟ .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  24. Follow up post #24 added on June 18, 2004 by skilogianni dimitra

    ΤΑ ΤΗΛΕΦΩΝΑ ΣΤΟ GUANTANAMO ΕΙΝΑΙ:
    0053 21 381196 ή 0053 21 381139 . ΕΧΟΥΜΕ ΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΗΣΕΙ 3 ΦΟΡΕΣ, ΑΛΛΑ ΠΙΟ ΕΥΚΟΛΑ ΠΙΑΝΕΤΕ ΓΡΑΜΜΗ ΜΕΤΑ ΤΙΣ 7.00 ΤΟ ΑΠΟΓΕΥΜΑ ΩΡΑ ΕΛΛΑΔΑΣ.


  25. Follow up post #25 added on June 19, 2004 by Yannis Triantafyllou

    H MHTERA MOU PAROUSIASE MIKROKYTTARIKO
    KARKINO STON PNEYMOMA. DEN EXEI KANEI ALLOY METASTASH KAI EIMASTE STO KYSIMO
    SHMEIO NA APOFASISOYME TON TROPO THERAPIAS. TO ESCOZUL GNORIZETWE AN
    ENDIKNETE GIA AYTH TH MORFI THS NOSOY?
    THA EIMOUN EYGNONON AN EIXO NEA SAS SINTOMA EYXARISTO
    KALH TYXH SE OLOUS….


  26. Follow up post #26 added on June 19, 2004 by Costas

    Yianni,

    ksekiniste ximiotherapeia, kai parallila mporeite na dokimasete ke to escozul. Auto sistinoun oi perissoteroi sto net. Apo mono tou den einai sigouro oti exei apotelesmata, kai sinithos to dinoun sta teleutaia stadia (apo oti toulaxiston diabasa).


  27. Follow up post #27 added on June 19, 2004 by katerina

    Questions about the Escozul.Which the procedure is? Who can take the Escozul?Could somebody else except the patient go and get the medicine? What should somebody have with him/ her to go and take it?


  28. Follow up post #28 added on June 19, 2004 by skilogianni dimitra

    ΠΡΟΣ ΓΙΑΝΝΗ
    Γιάννη ακριβώς έτσι ξεκίνησε ο θείος μου 58 ετών περσυ. Έκανε θεραπεία εδώ και χάλια μαύρα με μετάσταση κλπ. Στείλε μου e-mail να σου πω λεπτομέρειες. Το έχω ψάξει το θέμα.

    Δήμητρα


  29. Follow up post #29 added on June 19, 2004 by skilogianni dimitra

    ΠΡΟΣ ΓΙΑΝΝΗ

    Συγνώμη! το e-mail μου είναι: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    Δήμητρα


  30. Follow up post #30 added on June 19, 2004 by mary

    I want to thank everyone for your prompt replies. You’ve been really helpful. I have one more question: Does anyone have a personal experience of someone being cured? Also, how true is it that they ask for no money, but just a donation, if you want to, so that they can carry on the research? You can answer via this site or to my personal e-mail: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  31. Follow up post #31 added on June 21, 2004 by Stelios

    Παιδιά πληροφορίες που μπορούμε να βρούμε. Να ενεργοποιήσω ένα forum, ένα χώρο τέλος πάντων ώστε εκεί όσοι έχουν ανάλογη εμπειρία να την καταθέσουν ?
    Καταλαβαίνεται όλοι φαντάζομαι πόσο ευαίσθητο είναι το θέμα


  32. Follow up post #32 added on June 21, 2004 by anny

    Etoimazomai na pao kouba ayti ti bdomada. An prokeitai na taksidepsei kapoios mporei na me parei sto 6937424006. tha ithela na rotiso an prepei na moy apantisoyn thetika apo kouba sxetika me to mail poy esteila i mporei na paei opoios thelei?
    KALH MAS TYXH….


  33. Follow up post #33 added on June 23, 2004 by dora

    Υπάρχει κάποιος που να προγραμματίζει ταξίδι στο guantanamo άμεσα για το escozul? Αν ναι ας μου στείλει e-mail καθώς θα ήθελε και η θεία μου να ταξιδέψει αλλά μαζί και με άλλους αν είναι δυνατόν.


  34. Follow up post #34 added on June 23, 2004 by dora

    και το e-mail μου είναι .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  35. Follow up post #35 added on June 24, 2004 by Matina

    Is there anyone who has taken escozul from cuba and brought it back to greece for the cancer treatment.  I am very interested to find out.  Please feel free to contact me on +302298022634 or email .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    I await your response.
    Matina


  36. Follow up post #36 added on June 24, 2004 by tatiana

    O pateras mou tha figei stis 3 iouliou gia kouba. Eho gnostous pou ginan kalitera me to farmako kai oi opoioi eipan oti ontos den zitisan lefta, alla autoi edosan arketa san antamoivi kai gia na sinehisei i ereuna.
    tatiana


  37. Follow up post #37 added on June 25, 2004 by Dimitris

    parakalo gia opiadipote pliroforia mporite na mou dosete shetika me to taxidi stin kouva kai kirios to pou tha vroume to farmako ftanontas eki. 


  38. Follow up post #38 added on June 25, 2004 by Stelios

    Dimitris

    koita ta parakato sites
    http://arahovaonline.gr/phpBB2/index.php
    kai sto
    http://havanajournal.com/forum/threads/1794_0_27_0_C/


  39. Follow up post #39 added on July 01, 2004 by Thalia

    Se liges meres tha figo gia Kouva me mia fili mou pou milaei Ispanika kai douleue ekei gia ena xrono..

    opoios to exei apofasisei as mas tel. 6945416662 .. allios as steilei e-mail

    kali tixi
    Thalia


  40. Follow up post #40 added on July 01, 2004 by Thalia

    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  41. Follow up post #41 added on July 03, 2004 by DIMITRIS RIZOS

    I am from Athens and my father has cancer of pancreas. I have spoken with a girl who I found out here in the internet and she has told me that the desease of my father is able to attacked by the “escozul” The doctors here in Greece says that his life is 8 months until he dies. If anyonme knows tell me please anything about that and how we can take the “escozul” from cuba.


  42. Follow up post #42 added on July 08, 2004 by Sakis

    Diabasa parapano oti arketa atoma apofasisan na taxidepsoun stin Cuba gia to farmako “escozul” .
    Exo mia Xadelfi pou pasxei opo karkino kai endiaferomai epigontos.
    An mporei kapios pou tha paei stin Cuba na boithisei tha eimai eugnomon. Mporeite na epikinonisetai sto email mou: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    Euxomai kali tuxi se olous osous.
    ——————————————————-
    Reading the articles above regarding “escozul” and its benefits, I would like to ask anyone that will be travelling to Cuba, if possible to help.

    A cousin of mine was diagnosed with cancer and I would be very grateful if anyone could help. You can email me at: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    Best wishes to everyone.


  43. Follow up post #43 added on July 17, 2004 by Evi

    Υπαρχει καποιος που να εχει ταξιδεψει στη Κουβα για το escozul.Ειναι ασφαλες να ταξιδεψεις μονη? Μιλανε Αγγλικα? Τι ακριβως πρεπει να κραταω μαζι μου για τους γιατρους(αξονικες?ιστολογικες?ακτινογραφιες?) O πατερας μου ειναιστο σταδιο 4 με καρκ.του πνευμονα. Υπαρχει  παρομοιο περιστατικο που να εχει δει αποτελεσματα? Σας παρακαλω επειδη ξερετε ποσο ποναει το θεμα αυτο αν εχετε πληροφοριες που μπορουν να βοηθησουν στειλτε μου στο e-mail:lilu@otenet.gr
    καλη τυχη


  44. Follow up post #44 added on July 22, 2004 by argie

    geia sas, xreiazomai th vohueia sas. h mama exei karkino. edv kai 9 mhnes exei breuei metastash sto kefali alla to prvtogenes den exei vrethei. an kapoios phge sthn kouva as me bohthhsei. an pali kapoiow exei programmatisei na paei as me eneimervsei. einai megalh anagh.


  45. Follow up post #45 added on July 22, 2004 by argie

    eimai h argie to e - mail mou einai .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  46. Follow up post #46 added on July 27, 2004 by Sebastian Olavarria

    Mi Madre sufre de un cancer que la tiene muy mal y quisiera saber como podriamos hacer para conseguir Escozul para tratarla.


  47. Follow up post #47 added on August 02, 2004 by Φανή

    Εχθές έμαθα για τις θεραπευτικές ικανότητες του φαρμάκου. Ενδιαφέρομαι για μία θεία μου (την οποία υπεραγαπάω). Πάσχει από καρκίνο στο συκώτι και φυσικά ψάχνουμε οτιδήποτε μπορεί να  μας δώσει μία ελπίδα. Αν κάποιος από εσάς έχει ασχοληθεί, θα παρακαλούσα να μου στείλει με e-mail όποια πληροφορία μπορεί. Στο μεταξύ, θα ψάξω κι εγώ.
    Σας ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων..
    Φανή
    Το e-mail μου είναι :  .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  48. Follow up post #48 added on August 03, 2004 by Stella

    I have heard that the institute that provides the medicine for cancer treatment in Guantanamo is now closed. Instead, the medicine is now provided from Havana. However, I need some info:
    1st)Do you know if this medicine is the same (blue scorpion venom) as the one that was available in Guantanamo? Has anybody of you took this medicine from Havana, recently?
    2nd)If yes, can you please send me all essential details (i.e. address, and most importantly, phone number) to contact someone in charge from the lab in Havana?
    Please as you are all aware, it is an emergency and I need all the details (address, phone number) from the lab in Havana, as soon as possible.
    My name is Stella and my e-mail is: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    Exw akousei oti to instituto pou deinei to farmako sto Guantanamo exei kleisei kai oti to faramako (twra) to promithevese apo ena ergastirio stin Avana. Episis mou eipan oti eine to idio farmako san auto pou deinei o Dr Bordier.Thelw omws na mathw kapoies plirofories:
    1)Kserete an to farmako auto eine to idio san auto pou edeinan prin sto Guantanamo? Pige kapoios apo esas stin Avana prosfata kai pire to farmako?
    2)An nai, mporeite sas parakalw na mou steilete oles tis aparetites plirofories (dieuthynsi, tilefwno) gia na epoikinwnisw me kapoion sto ergastirio pou dinoun to farmako stin Avana?
    Opws oloi katalavenete eine epeigon kai xreiazome tilefwno kai dieuthynsi tou ergastiriou pou ftiaxnoun to farmako (stin Avana?) to syntomotero dynato.
    To onoma mou eine Stella kai to mail mou: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  49. Follow up post #49 added on August 05, 2004 by Stelios

    Πολλές πληροφορίες μπορείτε να βρείτε στο http://arahovaonline.gr/escozul/index.php
    Είναι Ελληνικό site και πολλοί έχουν πάει Κούβα. Καλή επιτυχία σε όλους


  50. Follow up post #50 added on August 07, 2004 by Georgia

    I am not that familiar with “escozul” I am just starting to learn about it. My sister was diagnost with Colon cancer that metastizised to her liver about a month ago, she is 35yrs old and she’ doing her chimotherapy now and the tumor has shrunk a bit. But I’m still interested in finding out how effective this “escozul” is. Has anybody outthere been completly cured by this? Do you reccomend her trying this approach? what are the sideffect? How much does it cost? Do we have to fly to Cuba to get it? Please someone let me know, I would like you to email me back.

    A desperate younger sister.
    Georgia


  51. Follow up post #51 added on August 07, 2004 by Georgia

    My email address is: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  52. Follow up post #52 added on August 17, 2004 by vasiliki

    a friend of my mine has recenlty diagnosed tnat he got cancer on the liver. we heard abou the remedy , the thing is that we have only heard the rumours but nothing specific. we kindly request more information.
    has anyone taken the medicine and if yes how did you find it , with whom did you come in contact and what was the results.
    please it is an urgent situation and we would like to know.
    you canemail me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  53. Follow up post #53 added on August 25, 2004 by Michele

    Hi, my name’ Michele and I’m from Italy. My uncle My was diagnost with lung cancer. I’d like to have some informations about getting “escozul”. thanks,
    Michele


  54. Follow up post #54 added on August 25, 2004 by angel with 4 total posts

    taksideuei kaneis gia kouva stis 30/8? an nai parakalw steilte email sto .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) i epikoinwniste sto tilefwno 6944 393927. feugei o pateras mou kai kalo 8a itan an kapoios taksideuei tin idia mera, an oxi na suntaksidepsoun, toulaxiston na einai mazi tis meres pou 8a vriskontai stin kouva.


  55. Follow up post #55 added on September 20, 2004 by vikki

    I have heard so many things about escozol. I have a friend that has the medication and will be starting it next week.Thus to say we live in the USA, and got it through Cuba via Greece. My question is this. I have heard that there are different diets to be concerned about, while taking the venom medicine. My friend has a tumor in the brain and has done the surgery and chemo. Although she has lived over 15 years with it, quality of life has gone down in the past 2 years. We are hoping this will help bring some of it back. If anyone “knows for certain” if there any foods to avoid or to eat regularly i would appreciate any knowledge that you may have. Please email me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) I will, be happy to print these and share the results with her. Thank you all. God Bless in your continue struggle to gain control over this terrible disease.


  56. Follow up post #56 added on September 20, 2004 by vasilis

    molis ematha gia to escozol eho tin mitera mou me karkino sto sikoti an exei kapoios perisoteres plirofories gia to pos ginete i diadikasia paralavis tou an mporei as mou stilei ena e-mail eyharisto polu…
    vasilis


  57. Follow up post #57 added on September 20, 2004 by vasilis

    molis ematha gia to escozol eho tin mitera mou me karkino sto sikoti an exei kapoios perisoteres plirofories gia to pos ginete i diadikasia paralavis tou an mporei as mou stilei ena e-mail eyharisto polu…
    vasilis
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  58. Follow up post #58 added on September 21, 2004 by Anna

    I have also just heard of this hopefull “drug”. My father has been diagnosed with a rare form of lung cancer called “mesothilioma”. The doctors gave him less than a year of life. Although he is doing his chemo and the one year has passed, his overall quality of life has decreased significantly, as he is in pain all the time and tires too easily. Also, it is possible he may need surgery, but he refuses even to hear about it. Does anyone know if the blue scorpion venom is effective in such cancers? I have a baby daughter and would like her to know her grandpapa. Also, if you have specific information on how to get it (addresses and such, but the genuine ones, not any “witch doctors” and frauds), I would greatly appreciate your help.


  59. Follow up post #59 added on October 06, 2004 by robyn

    I am interested in running a image of the blue scorpion inthe magazine I work for-can you contact me ASAP
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
    [url=http://www.colorsmagazine.com]http://www.colorsmagazine.com[/url]


  60. Follow up post #60 added on October 06, 2004 by robyn

    I am interested in running a image of the blue scorpion inthe magazine I work for-can you contact me ASAP
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
    [url=http://www.colorsmagazine.com]http://www.colorsmagazine.com[/url]


  61. Follow up post #61 added on October 06, 2004 by robyn

    I am interested in running this image of the blue scorpion in the magazine I work for.
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
    [url=http://www.colorsmagazine.com]http://www.colorsmagazine.com[/url]


  62. Follow up post #62 added on October 12, 2004 by Sofia

    Hello, my name is Sofia and I’m from Greece. My father was diagnosed, three years ago, with multiple myeloma. He has been treated since then with chemotherapy and x-rays (some times).His condition is sometimes stamble and sometimes with his ups and downs. If somebody knows more that can be of any help, please send me an e-mail because we are seriously considering the possibility of traveling to Cuba for the blue scorpion.


  63. Follow up post #63 added on October 13, 2004 by niki

    wondering if anyone knows if this is available in the usa..or have an address or contact in Cuba. please email me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  64. Follow up post #64 added on October 13, 2004 by niki

    wondering if anyone knows if this is available in the usa..or have an address or contact in Cuba. please email me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  65. Follow up post #65 added on October 13, 2004 by Soulla

    my mother was diagnosed with stage IIB breast cancer. she’ already had a radical mastectomy and will start chemo soon. is it too late to start the blue scorpion alternative therapy since [she’ had a mastectomy] or should we forget about it and just continue with the planned chemo?


  66. Follow up post #66 added on October 13, 2004 by FOFO

    Hallo , I’m from Greece and I need more information about the Escozul.How can I get it and from where ? Please send me these informations at the mail :
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


  67. Follow up post #67 added on October 15, 2004 by manos

    http://arahovaonline.gr/escozul

    Den exo kamia sxesi m’auto to “farmako” kai oute gnorizo an therapevi pragmatika ton karkino. Ego aplos evlepa tin ekpompi tou Varemenou kai skeftika na to psaxo ligaki. Opoios endiaferete as episkefti tin parapano selida gia plirofories. PROSOXI. Prospathiste na mathete an isxii pragmatika to oti therapei ton karkino. Kalo tha itan na epikinonisete me kapion o opoios exi therapefthi. An telika mathete kati parapano, sas parakalo kante post edo. Efxaristo. Elpizo na voithisa. Perastika stous sigenis sas kai kali tixi. O Theos mazi sas.


  68. Follow up post #68 added on November 08, 2004 by Lupo

    Hello, Im looking for a contact to know more about Escozul. Is here anybody who can give the adress of the klinic and a contact person?


  69. Follow up post #69 added on November 15, 2004 by Dr Don Mikey

    Dear Sir,
    My name is Dr.Don Mikey, and I work in the International operation department in a Local Bank here in South Africa. On a routine inspection I discovered a dormant domiciliary account with a BAL.Of (Thirty Six Million USD) on further discreet investigation, I also discovered that the account holder has long since passed away (dead) leaving no beneficiary to the account. The bank will approve this money to any foreigner because the former operator of the a/c is a foreigner and from Iraq in particular and I am certainly sure that he is dead, and nobody will come again for the claim of this money, A foreigner can only claim this money with legal claims to the account Holder; therefore I need your cooperation in this transaction. I will provide the necessary information needed in order to claim this money, But you will need to open an account where this can be transferred. If interested send your private Telephone No. And Fax
    number including full details of the account to be used for the Deposit I wish for utmost confidentiality in handling this transaction as my job and the future of my family would be jeopardized if it were breached. I want to assure you that the transaction is without risk if due process is followed accordingly. Finally,I will give you 25% for your corporation. I look forward to a favorable response from you.
    Kidily reply to this(.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address))
    Yours sincerely,
    Dr. Don Mikey.


  70. Follow up post #70 added on November 24, 2004 by Bob

    I have MESOTHELIOMA, has any one tryed ESCOZUL for this type of cancer?
    Please email me. Thanks.


  71. Follow up post #71 added on November 24, 2004 by Bob

    I have MESOTHELIOMA, has any one tryed ESCOZUL for this type of cancer?
    Please email me. Thanks. bobalbeeaz.yahoo.com


  72. Follow up post #72 added on November 24, 2004 by tatiana

    Agapimeni Sofia
    Ithela mono na sou po oti an theleis o pateras mou ehei paei to perasmeno kalokairi stin kouba kai xerei diafora pou isos mporoun na se voithisoun. To simatiko einai na prospathiseis oso mporeis na kaneis kati kai na niotheis entaxi me ton eauto sou oti ekanes o,ti pernaei apo to heri sou. An theliseis kati eimai sigouri oti tha ekane ta panta gia na se voithisei. Filakia
    Epikoinonise mazi mou gia na sou doso til, ktl. Euhomai ola na pane kala
    tatiana


  73. Follow up post #73 added on December 03, 2004 by Ivan Sanchez

    Does Escozul work for Kidney cancer ?
    If so How can I get contact with the clinic in Cuba ?


  74. Follow up post #74 added on April 04, 2005 by laylasland@yahoo.com with 2 total posts

    My father has been diagnosed w/ neuropathy, heppatitis C, and liver cancer. He is currently on neurotin(daily) and has had 2 chemoembolization treatments since August or september2004. We are looking for any info on cures NOT treatments to subdue suppress ...If anyone knows of ANY that even just one person was cured by something please email me and in the re: put “Cancer” so I know its not spam or junk mail. My dad is 57 and was given 6months by the doctors on August- so what we are doing is helping-WE HAVE GONE WITH ESSIAC? TEA COMPLETELY ORGANICLY GROWN FOODS AND OPTIMISM-SO FAR SO GOOD-BUT TIME ACCORDING TO THE DOCTORS SHOULD BE ABOUT UP!!And thats real hard to deal with. So please if you know of anything or one that has or had these diseases combined-my main focus is the liver cancer…PLEASEPLEASE email me.4-4-05


  75. Follow up post #75 added on December 01, 2005 by jesi

    hi


  76. Follow up post #76 added on February 16, 2006 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    We have finished our Escozul forum

    Take a look here



    Cuba consulting services

  77. Follow up post #77 added on August 17, 2006 by Diana

    I tried your hyperlink to your site because I wanted to see your other articles especially on advanced lung cancer.  I was not able to access the website.
    Any information would be appreciated.  Do you know of any new lung cancer treatments I could consider for my mother.
    thanks
    Cindy/Diana


  78. Follow up post #78 added on November 01, 2006 by MARTHA NIDYA HENAO OSORIO

    Qusieira poder recibir toda la informaciòn que mas se pueda acerca de este prorducto pero que ojala sea en españos para compartirla con el médico tratante de esta ciudad Bogotá, pues yo padezco de cancer de seno con metastaxis osea.
    Muy agradecida.


  79. Follow up post #79 added on February 06, 2007 by Hilda Lerma

    nobody reply to the scam above. i tried it once and left me dry. its not real. why do you think he is charging money???


  80. Follow up post #80 added on February 06, 2007 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    Hilda,

    What is the “scam” you are referring to?



    Cuba consulting services

  81. Follow up post #81 added on April 02, 2007 by wilson

    please i need a phone number of a hospital in cuba special for cancer treatment my mother is very sick and she wants to go to cuba to have an operacion. please help me i don’t want to do i need a phone number of a doctor as son as possible and if you want to contact me my phone number is # 914 3738286


  82. Follow up post #82 added on January 12, 2009 by Ivan

    Hola!!

    NEcesito saber como me puedo contactar directamente a cuba

    MI madre sufre de cancer en el higado y pulmon, hace 10 años sufrio de leucemia y le hicieron transplante de medula y quimioterapia ahora solo le dan terapia!!!!!!


  83. Follow up post #83 added on July 06, 2009 by izhaida

    hi necesito saber en cuba donde puedo contactar directamente para conseguir el el escozul. gracias


  84. Follow up post #84 added on July 20, 2009 by zara

    Hola, podrian proporcionarme mas informacion acerca del tratamiento con Escozul, donde puedo recibir este tratamiento y si es posible obtenerlo en mi lugar de origen(mexico). Fui diagnosticada con cancer de mama, hace 15 anos, hoy en dia tengo cancer avanzado con posibilidades de metastaxis, invacion de cellulas malignas al pulmon, agradecso atentamente que me puedan proporcionar toda clase de informacion a mi email, gracias una vez mas.


  85. Follow up post #85 added on October 07, 2009 by Emilio Cadena

    Do you know if the Escozul” treatment is available in the U.S. ?

    And is the Blue Scorpion indiginous to the U.S.?

    Thank you for all that you are doing.

    Sincerely,

    emilio cadena in corpus christi, texas


  86. Follow up post #86 added on December 09, 2009 by needshelp with 1 total posts

    I have been trying to get this in the US.  I received information on a doctor named Dr. Qunitana Perez with a hotmail account.  I emailed him our medical records and now they want us to western union funds over and they say they will courrier the venom to mexico where we can go pick it up on the border.  He claims to work for labiofam and even put me in touch with their “finance” dept to collect my money.  Is this real?  Does Labiofam ship product via courrier for a fee?


  87. Follow up post #87 added on December 09, 2009 by publisher with 3905 total posts

    You can’t get it in the US. You have to literally go to Labiofam in Cuba and knock on their door.

    Don’t believe a word of the finance department and courier to Mexico. Absolutely a fraud in one way or another.

    #85 The blue scorpion can only be found in Cuba.



    Cuba consulting services

  88. Follow up post #88 added on January 18, 2010 by Hieu

    Somebody in Cuba please help me get the address, phone number and especially email address of some hospitals specializing in cancer treatment. I’m from Vietnam and looking for a hospital in Cuba for my friend’s mother. She is very weak and going to Cuba is her last change. If you get any useful information, please email to me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

    Your help is highly appreciated.

    Thanks & regards,
    Hieu


  89. Follow up post #89 added on April 14, 2010 by Iowamyel with 1 total posts

    I’d be interested in making a contact with someone in Cuba who is presently a cancer survivor with multiple myeloma.


  90. Follow up post #90 added on June 08, 2011 by register and log in

    yo tengo cancer y quisiera saber mas de su tratamiento
    gracias
    Ligia wooten


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